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Preposition question

Posted: 2010-04-01, 12:20
by hekkenfeldt
Hi

What's the latin equivalent of "by" in the sentence "the wolf is standing by the creek"? Is it "apud" as in "lupus apud rivum stat"?

Thanks

Re: Preposition question

Posted: 2010-04-01, 15:59
by hekkenfeldt
Another thing:

I can't quite get the highlighted sentence in the excerpt below to make sense.

Gratus sum, Quirites, quod me, hominem novum, consulem fecistis; alios homines novos multis annis postquam per leges licet, consules fecistis; me unum anno meo consulem creavistis.


The best I can come up with is: "You (have) made other "new men" consuls many years after [by laws; it is permitted to]. As you see, I can't get it to add up. Any help would be much appreciated.

Oh, and I know what a homo novus is, so at least that's not a problem. :wink:

Re: Preposition question

Posted: 2010-04-01, 19:28
by KingHarvest
Apud doesnt (sorry, cant find apostrophes on this German keyboard, bear with me) sound quite right to me. Prope, propter, or even ad would work better.

The sentence you have in red says, "Now many years later it is permitted by law that other men could become new men, and you made them consuls." (In case you dont know, a "nouus homo" was someone elected consul from a family that had never had a consul before)

Re: Preposition question

Posted: 2010-04-02, 10:31
by hekkenfeldt
Thanks a bundle! Urgh, that sentence was complicated. There's still a few things I don't understand. Like how do you infer "could become" from the latin sentence? And "alios homines novos" is all in the accusative, right? Doesn't licet take the dative? Or is the subject an implied [it], as in:

[It] is permitted [for] other men-acc. [to become] new-acc.


Is there some sort of accusative-infinitive thingamajig at play here?

Re: Preposition question

Posted: 2010-04-02, 17:31
by KingHarvest
Like how do you infer "could become" from the latin sentence?


You just have to learn to infer a lot of unstated copular verbs in Latin.

And "alios homines novos" is all in the accusative, right? Doesn't licet take the dative? Or is the subject an implied [it], as in:


Yes. It's indirect statement. "It is permitted that..."