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grammar sentences

Postby kman1 » 2007-09-23, 2:23

I made the sentences below to get a feel of how different English tenses are expressed in Latin. Please check what I've written for accuracy and please explain the ones I got wrong or didn't know.

1. I speak Spanish.
2. I used to play video games.
3. I ate a cookie 5 min. ago.
4. Last year he was ill.
5. When his parents built the house, he was ill.
6. At the beginning of this year he has been ill, now he is fine again.
7. He had broken a leg, therefore he couldn't come to school.
8. I’m reading a book now.
9. I was working while she was studying.
10. I was eating there (- let's say lunch) until I got to know that there were cockroaches in the kitchen. Then I left (immediately).

11. I had been lying there for 3 hrs. before I fell asleep.
12. You will have been eating for 10 min. when I finish.
13. He wants me to go home now.
14. I would buy more food but I’m full now.
15. You are baptized now. ‘passive’
16. You were baptized for 5 min. ‘passive’
17. The city was destroyed by the fire ‘passive’
18. I had been baptized 3 times by 2001.
19. I will have been baptized 6 times by 2002.
20. If he paid me more, I would stay. (2 possibilities for ‘if he paid me more’)*
21. We would have built the house, if we had had the money.*


In my Latin translation, I only translated the verb portion of the sentences. that's the only part I'm concerned with. So remember when correcting what I wrote I only need the verbs NOT the whole sentence. (unless you feel translating the entire sentence would be better for everyone viewing the post)

1. loquo
2. inludEbam
3. esumi
4. sum aegrotus
5. aedificavErunt , fui aegrotus
6. fui aegrotus , sed nunc sum bonus
7. rumperat , non potuit venire
8. lego
9. operAbam , studEbat
10. essEbam
11. recubitus eram
12. esseris
13. voles ire
14. emem sed sum plenus nunc
15. baptizaris
16. baptizabaris
17. dirutus est
18. baptizatus eram
19. baptizatus ero
20. persolverem , remanerem
21. aedificavissemus , habuissemus

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Postby calebfairley » 2007-09-25, 2:44

Dude, couldn't you just have posted this in the general language forum? I've seen this (your) thread in several other language forums. Others might see you as a spammer. :(

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Postby kman1 » 2007-09-25, 4:59

hi caleb, look here:
http://home.unilang.org/main/forum/view ... hp?t=18885

I get that response sometimes but I split the posts up for a reason. 8)

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Postby Anne345 » 2007-09-26, 16:39

1. [s]loquo[/s] : loquor (deponent verb)
2. [s]inludEbam[/s] : ludebam
3. [s]esumi [/s]: edi
4. [s]sum aegrotus :[/s] aeger fui / aegrotavi (aegreo don't have supin)
5. aedificavErunt , [s]fui aegrotus [/s]: aeger erat / aegrotabat (aegreo don't have perfect)
6. [s]fui aegrotus [/s], sed nunc [s]sum bonus [/s]: aeger fuit / aegrotavit, sanus est
7. [s]rumperat[/s] , non potuit venire : ruperat
8. lego
9. [s]operAbam[/s] , studEbat : operabar (deponent verb)
10. [s]essEbam[/s] : edebam
11. [s]recubitus eram [/s]: recubaveram
12. [s]esseris[/s] : ederas
13. [s]voles[/s] ire : vis (irregular verb)
14. [s]emem[/s] sed sum plenus nunc : emam (subjunctive)
15. baptizaris
16. baptizabaris
17. dirutus est
18. baptizatus eram
19. baptizatus ero
20. [s]persolverem[/s] , remanerem : persolveret
21. aedificavissemus , habuissemus

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Postby kman1 » 2007-09-27, 11:19

Corrections. Yay!! :P

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Postby kman1 » 2007-10-09, 9:04

Anne345 wrote:4. [s]sum aegrotus :[/s] aeger fui / aegrotavi (aegreo don't have supin)


4. a. how do you know if a verb has a supine form or not? b. why did you mention that ‘aegreo’ doesn’t have a supine here? Even if it did it wouldn’t be used here, right? There’s no verb of motion here for a supine verb to go with… c. shouldn’t ‘fui’ be ‘fuit’ ?

5. aedificavErunt , [s]fui aegrotus [/s]: aeger erat / aegrotabat (aegreo don't have perfect)


5. a. so when expressing ‘to be sick’ in Latin, I can choose either ‘aegreo’ or ‘aegroto’ as long as the verb I choose has the corresponding tense that I want to use it with. <-- is that correct? I don’t see conjugations for ‘aegreo’ in online conjugator here though… http://verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp?T1=a ... 1=9&H1=109
what do I type in to find the conjugations of ‘aegreo’? b. ‘aegreo’ may not have a perfect tense but ‘aegroto’ does. Why didn’t you use the perfect tense for ‘aegroto’ instead of the imperfect tense? You could have simply used the imperfect tense of ‘aegreo’ with using a different verb at all, just switch the tenses, right?

11. [s]recubitus eram [/s]: recubaveram


11. when I was looking for the different conjugations ‘recubo’ two different sites I used produced different results for the first time. One of these sites is incorrect. Can you please verify which one.
A. here ‘recubaveram’ isn’t recognized a conjugation of ‘recubo’
http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/word ... ecubaveram

but here it is
http://verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp?T1=r ... 1=9&H1=109

B. here ‘recubatus’ is the perfect passive part. of ‘recubo’
http://verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp?T1=r ... 1=9&H1=109
but here ‘recubitus’ is the perfect passive part. of ‘recubo’ and ‘recubatus’ doesn’t exist: http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe?recubatus

12. [s]esseris[/s] : ederas


12. why is the pluperfect used here vice the future perfect tense?

13. [s]voles[/s] ire : vis (irregular verb)


13. a. shouldn’t ‘vis’ be ‘vult’ ? b. what would I use for ‘me’ here? ( ‘vult mihi ire…’) ?

Thanks 8)

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Postby Kijdar » 2007-10-09, 18:36

I wanna study Latin! :D

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Postby cweb255 » 2007-10-09, 20:11

kman1 wrote:c. shouldn’t ‘fui’ be ‘fuit’ ?

Yes.

I don’t see conjugations for ‘aegreo’ in online conjugator here though…

As a serious statement, you might want to invest in a proper Latin grammar book, even a basic one as Wheelock's, and not rely on those online conjugators.

13. a. shouldn’t ‘vis’ be ‘vult’ ? b. what would I use for ‘me’ here? ( ‘vult mihi ire…’) ?

I think he was looking at your translations and correcting them, not looking at the Latin. For example, you had voles - it looks to be a mistake for vis. The correct form of "he wishes" is vult.

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Postby cweb255 » 2007-10-10, 14:24

Oh, btw: vult me iam ad domum ire.

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Postby Ioannes » 2007-10-10, 15:51

cweb255 wrote:Oh, btw: vult me iam ad domum ire.


ad domum?

It should be "domum" (using direction accusative).
I have only seen "ad domum" in the Vulgate and in some Medieval texts.

I have read this thread, so I'm sorry to just butt in.
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Postby cweb255 » 2007-10-14, 6:28

Ioannes wrote:
cweb255 wrote:Oh, btw: vult me iam ad domum ire.


ad domum?

It should be "domum" (using direction accusative).
I have only seen "ad domum" in the Vulgate and in some Medieval texts.

I have read this thread, so I'm sorry to just butt in.


Hrm, quite possibly. I've been working with the Vulgate a lot. It could be an unconscious thing. Augustinian, Hieronymian, and Vulgate Latin is quite a different beast than Classical!

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Postby kman1 » 2009-07-06, 3:56

anyone have feedback on questions #4, #5, #11 & #12??

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Re: grammar sentences

Postby KingHarvest » 2009-07-07, 2:48

Get a proper lesson book and serious dictionaries and grammars like Lewis & Short, Gildersleeve, and Allen & Greenough.
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