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Dialects

Postby salieri » 2011-11-22, 23:57

I am not quite sure ( maybe Remis or Aleco could confirm ) if these people are authentic representatives of their own dialect or not, but I can tell that there is a notable difference between them. This is Jens Stoltenberg speaking the Oslo dialect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 3zmq31uq60
I find it quite easy to understand.

Ole Gunnar Solskjær speaking Kristiansund dialect, Møre og Romsdal ( after Jens :D ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... JK6dArNKT0
I find it relatively hard to understand.

Gry Fuglestveit Bløchlinger, Telemark :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... wOT0A3BJJ8
Able to understand, but need to be a little more focused.

Geir Waage, Sør- Trøndelag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... id1mgIdi0A
relatively easy to understand.

Hilde Magnusson, Hordaland :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 2FSRRr76YQ
easy to understand.

Ingvar Midthun, Hedmark :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... RAhBmtRDdk
the same.

Geir Johnsen, Troms :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... IW4tr2CohI
hard to understand.

Åshild Høivik Kjelsnes, Sogn og Fjordane :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... rsSFTeodtI
sounds more understandable than that hippy dude from Troms, but still not easy.

Solveig Kjelland Larsen, Vest- Agder :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... EnW6xRhgSY
hard.

Trude Viola Antonsen, Vestfold :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bJ9MOl2NL4
easy.

Det er det! Hva synes dere? Hvor vanskelige høres disse dialektene ut for dere?

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Re: Dialects

Postby Remis » 2011-11-23, 0:27

Hi, I'm here to confirm stuff. :D
salieri wrote:This is Jens Stoltenberg speaking the Oslo dialect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 3zmq31uq60
I find it quite easy to understand.
That is because he speaks a cleaner, more "refined" Oslo dialect. But yes, that is Oslo (or maybe Standard Østnorsk, but they are very, very close, except if you speak the "true" Oslo dialect, which sounds much rougher).
Besides, he speaks much slower than what is normal. Solskjær is far more natural in his speech.

Hilde Magnusson, Hordaland :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 2FSRRr76YQ
easy to understand.
That is not the Hordaland dialect. That's a Hordaland-person who's been living in Oslo/in Eastern Norway far too long.

hippy dude from Troms
...Excuse me? He's wearing a traditional folk garment.

Det er det! Hva synes dere? Hvor vanskelige høres disse dialektene ut for dere?

Aside from the ones I pointed out, all of these guys speak their dialects authentically. I'm not the biggest dialect expert though.

Annet enn det er de jo lette å forstå siden morsmålet mitt er norsk :P Eneste er trønderdialekta da. Den kan være ganske jævlig å forstå noen ganger, selv for nordmenn sjøl.
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Re: Dialects

Postby Aleco » 2011-11-23, 0:41

These are authentic dialects at least:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Xgnx0o ... re=related
(Sunnmøre ... but he seems to be mumbling a lot... I had to listen to it about 5 times before catching some words)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzJyGkhTTY
(Nord-Trøndelag)

http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/108989/
(Voss (the woman), Setesdal (the rest) - try skipping to 04:45 ... it's completely incomrehensible :lol: )

My Internet is still really bad, so I would have to click each of your links above at least 10 times for them to work, which I really don't care for right now, sorry. :P However, if these are formal interviews, or the speaker is in any formal setting - especially political, most tend to quell their dialect considerably, only leaving their accent and grammar.

EDIT
I have listened to some of them (and they are political conferences as I suspected):
Hedmark: This is not the Hedmark dialect. Quelling one's dialect seems to be even more promiment in Eastern Norway.
Vestfold: Politicians from areas adjacent to Oslo often simply adopt an Oslo accent and speak as thought writing.
Sør-Trøndelag: Trondheim Trøndersk.
Vest-Agder: Representative of the dialect in Southern Agder.

(The Agder Counties are rich on different dialects, from the Danish-like Southeast to the Old Norse-like North.)
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Re: Dialects

Postby Remis » 2011-11-23, 1:07

^ Listen to Aleco, he knows his stuff. To be completely honest, I'm not very good with non-Oslo and non-Northern Norwegian dialects (mainly because of not travelling around a lot except to Northern Norway, but also because of living in the capital, where a lot of people lose their original dialects), so take the stuff I wrote with a grain of salt. :P
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Re: Dialects

Postby Aleco » 2011-11-23, 1:10

No expert myself, though :P

But I did see a book on dialects at the campus bookstore the other week ... must ... buy ...

This is a nice page on different dialects, too. The speakers of these recordings even tell you if they believe themselves to be representative speakers of their respective dialect.
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Re: Dialects

Postby salieri » 2011-11-23, 1:23

Thank you guys. I appreciate your comments.
@Remis - Sorry, I had no idea it was a folk garment. Who would expect a politician to wear it :o ?
@ Aleco - Damn :totalshock: . The only thing I could understand was: fransk yoghurt med mer smak :shock: .
Not to mention the bearded man :lmao:. I think I will never be able to understand these dialects.

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Postby Remis » 2011-11-23, 1:28

Aleco wrote:No expert myself, though :P

But I did see a book on dialects at the campus bookstore the other week ... must ... buy ...
More than me, anyway :P

Aw man, I can relate to that. :? Oh hey is that a book on obscure Arabic dialects? Yeah, I'll need that.

This is a nice page on different dialects, too. The speakers of these recordings even tell you if they believe themselves to be representative speakers of their respective dialect.
Awesome! :D
Beware, though: that Oslo dialect is not... Dialectal. It's pure bokmål, or at least not Eastern Oslo (Nordstrand = borough in Eastern Oslo). I should know, I live in the neighbouring borough to Nordstrand. :?
It does confound me why they chose to use a guy to represent Oslo East who says himself that his dialect is standardised. :|

salieri wrote:@Remis - Sorry, I had no idea it was a folk garment. Who would expect a politician to wear it :o ?
It's not an uncommon thing in Norway, especially with people from the north. Sámi politicians wear kofte and many other people wear a bunad during such events.
It's the same to them (and us other Norwegians) as a suit is to you. It's more "Norwegian," though, of course. It's about being more connected to your county/hometown/whatever.

That said, I'd honestly be surprised if Jensemann showed up in a bunad. :P
I guess it just isn't a thing for Oslo people (hence why I've never owned a bunad and never will, even though I can technically use the Alta one).
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Re: Dialects

Postby salieri » 2011-11-23, 1:53

@ Remis - It seems almost surreal to me to see so many young people dressed up like that. It looks cool though. I guess it has a lot to do with caring about the nation`s herritage. You norwegians are really one of a kind :yep: .

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Postby Aleco » 2011-11-23, 2:16

That Trønder dialect is pretty easy to understand. But the other one I get that you don't ... :lol: Especially since we barely do - if we do.

@Remis: Haha sorry, all Norwegian dialects! There were some books on English dialects though! Probably other stuff as well. This school has so many goodies :para:

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Re: Dialects

Postby Heimdal » 2011-11-23, 6:53

salieri wrote:Gry Fuglestveit Bløchlinger, Telemark :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... wOT0A3BJJ8
Able to understand, but need to be a little more focused.

Not any dialect from Telemark, sounds like Kristiansand.

Grenland (Skien, Porsgrunn, Bamble, Siljan)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKWBjyOmfw

Vest-Telemark (I would guess Seljord)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas3Oc9p9Z4

More west:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ahky6L5pRA&t=1m34s

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Re: Dialects

Postby EinarJ » 2011-11-23, 11:22

Aleco wrote:Woman: Ke du te mæ før? Tolljkallj! A! Ittj gå fra mæ, Per! Æ kannj ittj lev uten dæ, æ, sjø!
Woman: Hva er det du tar meg for? Tullebukk! A! Ikke gå fra meg, Per! Jeg kan ikke leve uten deg, jeg, se!


"se" for "sjø" var ny for meg, den normale oversettelsen er "skjønner du".

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Postby Aleco » 2011-11-23, 13:08

Jasså? Jeg bruker "se" hele tida ... kan være dialekt, da :hmm:
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Re: Dialects

Postby salieri » 2011-11-23, 17:06

@ Heimdal - Takk skal du ha. Jeg hørte på dialektene fra Telemark området, og det var veldig lett å forstå ( i hvert fall for meg ) :) .

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Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-25, 19:04

Remis wrote:Beware, though: that Oslo dialect is not... Dialectal. It's pure bokmål, or at least not Eastern Oslo (Nordstrand = borough in Eastern Oslo).


Nordstrand is between Eastern and Western Oslo, it was traditionally part of Eastern Oslo,
but now it's becoming more and more like Western Oslo when it comes to poshness, high earnings,
dialect and rightwing politics. According to Wiki, the median income in Nordstrand is higer than the one in Nordre Aker and St. Hanshaugen.
The singer Dina is from Nordstrand, and she speaks exactly like that guy in the sound sample. :P

:? So, Nordstrand is not a typical East Oslo neighborhood, its more of a gateway to West Oslo.
I wish Oslo wasn't that divided soci(olinguistic)ally. :para:.

I listened to all these dialect sound samples, and this is my favorite:
Finnmark :P
http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/nos/?nosid=nos01001
Don't you find it lovely? :) What are the differences that strike you most?

2nd favorite: Lillehammer
http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/nos/mp3/nos21002.mp3
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Re: Dialects

Postby salieri » 2011-11-25, 20:14

The one from Lilehammer sounds nice to me. I also like the dialect from Bergen.
But most of all I like the way Stoltenberg speaks. To my ears that dialect sounds simply the best.

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Re: Dialects

Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-25, 20:30

I don't like the dialect from Bergen because of the French/Danish R, and the lack of feminine, which is especially odd for words with the female natural gender:
(ei) kone f. ''wife'' (def. kona); (ei) tante f. ''aunt'' (def. tanta); (ei) datter f. ''daughter'' (def. dattera); (ei) mor f. ''mother'' (def. mora); (ei) søster f. ''sister'' (def. søstera); (ei) kusine f. ''female cousin'' (def. kusina); (ei) kvinne f. ''woman'' (def. kvinna); (ei) prinsesse f. ''princess'' (def. prinsessa); (ei) svigerinne f. ''sister-in-law'' (def. svigerinna); (ei) venninne f. ''(female) friend'' (def. venninna), (ei) dronning f. ''queen'' (def. dronninga)...
(For example, these words would be feminine in Dutch, even though they take a common article [de]).
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Re: Dialects

Postby salieri » 2011-11-25, 21:35

I knew that. It doesn't really bother me. On the contrary. It makes it even easier for us foreigners to get into the norwegian genders problem even though I would agree with you that some nouns such as søstera, kona, boka... sound better that way.

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Re: Dialects

Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-26, 3:13

I also believe that the Germanic dialects with an alveolar R sound warmer and more pleasant ;)
Flemish sounds more warmer than Netherlands Dutch, Bavarian/Austrian/Swiss German sound warmer than Northern&Central German, Eastern and Northern Norwegian sound warmer than Western&Southern. The R makes a difference. :wink:
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Postby Aleco » 2011-11-26, 20:40

Gotta love dialectal misunderstandings ... There haven't been many, but there have been a couple since I came to Oslo. I'll give my examples in correct Norwegian spelling.

Once, I borrowed a cell from a friend, but it was one of these fancy ones, and I couldn't figure out how to type numbers. And so I asked him:
- Åssen skriver du tal?
- Hæ? Du skal skrive et nummer.
- Jada, men åssen skriver du tal?

My two friends were still puzzled as I tried to explain to them that I couldn't find any numbers on the keypad, only letters. One of my friends then understood what was going on ... they thought I had asked them how to spell the (English slang) word tard. There's so much English here among people my age in Oslo compared to where I'm from, and since I'm not expecting English to come out of their mouths when speaking Norwegian, it sometimes catches me off guard.

Another time, I was at a camp by Gardermoen (the airport north of Oslo), talking to a fellow councellor who's from Ålesund. She was talking about how she had once organized a camp, but there were certain doors within these facilities that would trigger an alarm if opened. So she is telling her story about this one door:
- Og så greide jeg å åpne den døra, og alarmen begynte å ule.
- Men hva skulle hun jenta inn der og gjøre?
- Men det var jeg som åpna døra.
- Ja, men hva skulle hun der inne?
- ... ... ...
*epiphany*

Her word for jeg was the same word we'd use here for a girl/woman. :roll: Of course I knew of this difference, but for some reason I didn't realize it as she was telling the story.
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Re: Dialects

Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-29, 19:21

I know that the main dialect differences include changes in pronunciation, morphology and (to a lesser extent) vocabulary. But, what about the syntax? Are there many syntactical differences between dialects or not? For example, the greatest differences between European and Brazilian Portuguese are those that effect syntax. I would like to know the situation in Norway (word order, position of clitics, (im)possibility of inversion and things like that). :hmm:
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