PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Remis » 2012-01-24, 0:45

Jeg sier /dʒɪn/ og /tʰæɪp/ sjøl, /tʰɛjp/ har jeg bare hørt i Troms og Finnmark og det er mange som sier /dʃɪn/, så...
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby hlysnan » 2012-01-25, 4:38

Korleis uttaler du "det regner"?

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-25, 10:44

Det regner: /dɛ ɾɛgnəɾ/
Det regnar: /dɛ ɾɛgnɑɾ/

Both are possible, but I must say I haven't seen/heard that first one.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Remis » 2012-01-25, 14:50

I assume you were asking for a nynorsk-y pronunciation (in which case Aleco's IPA is what you should go for :P) but just for good measure, here's Oslo/Bokmål:
/dᵊ ɾæɪːnɾ/ or /dɛ ɾæɪːnəɾ/
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-01-25, 14:55

Are there any rules on reading of the letter O, when it is pronounced as [u], and when it is an o (either open or closed). :?
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-25, 19:39

That is probably the trickiest vowel. As a general rule, a short <o> is /o/ and a long one is /uː/ (short: before a double consonant sound and long: word-final or before a single consonant sound).

One exception that I can think of:
o + v = /ɔː/, /oː/

When that has been said, there are several phonology rules related to <o> that would make things confusing - especially as there are exceptions to those again. You should learn the pronunciation of a word's <o> as you learn them.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby hlysnan » 2012-01-25, 22:10

Aleco wrote:Det regner: /dɛ ɾɛgnəɾ/
Det regnar: /dɛ ɾɛgnɑɾ/

Both are possible, but I must say I haven't seen/heard that first one.

Remis wrote:I assume you were asking for a nynorsk-y pronunciation (in which case Aleco's IPA is what you should go for :P) but just for good measure, here's Oslo/Bokmål:
/dᵊ ɾæɪːnɾ/ or /dɛ ɾæɪːnəɾ/

Tusen takk! :) My first thought was something like /det ɾeːŋnɑɾ/. :lol:

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-25, 22:53

/ɾɛŋnɑɾ/ actually does sound better ... pronunciation of Nynorsk isn't my strongest side, but it seems like you were pretty close to the right answer!

For some reason, and just regarding that word, I've always thought of <gn> as a separate /g/ and a /n/.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-01-26, 0:31

For the time being, I am avoiding tones (because none of the dictionaries I have has them, not even two Norwegian online dictionaries), and I've heard some dialects in Northern Norway lack them. Croatian has tones (and they are indicated in all Croatian dictionaries), but my dialect/accent lacks them, there is only one neutral tone (the voice doesn't go up or down :roll: ). I think it's better to use a neutral tone than a wrong one. :roll: I think I will add them later systematically for distinguishing between verbs and nouns and things like that.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-26, 0:41

I guess dictionaries don't differentiate due to it not being important :hmm:

Maybe you should come to the Skype chat :) That way you can hear the difference in pitch accents.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Hunef » 2012-01-26, 22:56

Aleco wrote:/ɾɛŋnɑɾ/ actually does sound better ...
So in Norwegian an unstressed a is /ɑ/ (~ long stressed a as in tak) rather than /a/ (~ short stressed a as in takk)?
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-26, 23:20

Hunef wrote:
Aleco wrote:/ɾɛŋnɑɾ/ actually does sound better ...
So in Norwegian an unstressed a is /ɑ/ (~ long stressed a as in tak) rather than /a/ (~ short stressed a as in takk)?

There is no difference in Norwegian :nope: takk, tak, both /A/
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby hlysnan » 2012-01-27, 0:03

The green book (p.40) says that in Western or Midland dialects, they use [a~ä] for all /a/, while in Eastern dialects, they use [ɑ] for all /a/.

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-27, 0:19

That's very generalized, but people don't differentiate between those sounds, anyways.

Much like /o/ and /O/
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-01-28, 23:11

I use the same vowel for Norwegian a and American English low back merged father/dawn-Don/Hong Kong ~long song/caller-collar/pol-Paul...Low back unrounded vowel. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_back_unrounded_vowel

I found a video on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTA3YglTQQ


OMG Irish sounds like Norwegian: :hmm: :P
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-01-29, 0:28

That would sound fine :)

Haha, I listened to an Irish recording a while ago, and it was actually a Norwegian professor in Irish who was speaking, and I was laughing because I thought his accent was so Norwegian :lol: But a native Irish speaker told me that his accent was perfect! So indeed, Irish does sound kinda Norwegian-y.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-02-09, 2:56

Åssen ville dere ha uttalt ord som saueøyeier (owner of a sheep island) og erntstsk (with the characteristics of Erntst)?

I X-SAMPA blir det jo [ˈsæuəœʏæjəɾ] og [æɳʈʂʈʂkʰ]. Særlig den siste blir jo veldig tungvint å si.

Det er også mulig å si [æɳʈʂʈskʰ] altså uten at siste s-en er retrofleks.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby salieri » 2012-02-10, 0:10

Hva er Erntst?

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-02-10, 0:13

Just a name. It's a theoretical consonant cluster some Norwegian teacher made ;)
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby salieri » 2012-02-10, 0:32

Oh, now I get it. Anyway, it's almost next to impossible to pronounce the "word" the way that software does it.


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