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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-05-27, 16:33

Yeah, I would have expected a long vowel in skal :hmm:
http://www.forvo.com/word/skal/
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-05-27, 16:39

If it means "scale"/"peel," it's long ... stupid orthography :roll:
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-05-27, 16:42

Is the d in framtid silent? :hmm: (My dictionary says it's silent, but the guy from forvo pronounced it).
I can't hear a d here: http://www.forvo.com/word/h%C3%B8gtida/
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-05-27, 17:11

I'd say that most final Ds are usually silent, but people sometime think of this as dialectal, and pronounce them when e.g. teaching foreigners how the words are supposed to be pronounced.

(This may be a danicism because the D is pronounced in its masculine definite form, but not in its definite feminine form. And "framtid" is the definitely the more Norwegian version with "fram" instead of "frem", so one would think this to be treated as feminine, but... maybe not. I don't know - to me, it sounds stuttery to pronounce final Ds.)
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-05-27, 17:23

I didn't know sola (the Sun) and Sola (Stavanger's airport) were pronounced with a different tone. :noclue:

How do you like these dialects/accents?

http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/nos/mp3/nos03003.mp3
http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/nos/mp3/nos03001.mp3

I think they would suit me. :mrgreen:
They sound so tame and slow, (and tones are so subtle I can't hear them at all, the woman is pronouncing sólà and sòla, depending on the sentence intonation, and I am sure there is no Stavanger airport place in the story :ohwell: ).
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-05-27, 17:30

Hehe. would've made an awesome pun :lol: "I'm flying to the Sun in a bit!"

But true - I can't even imagine a difference in pitch between the two words in this dialect :hmm: I could ask my two flatmates, who are both from just outside Tromsø.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-05-27, 18:07

Here is how they explained it. :para:

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Do you think the description corresponds to:

A) 1ròta (n.) - 2rôta (v.)

B) 1rôta (n.) - 2rōtà (v.)


(I had to use another example because I couldn't put a macron on å, the macron indicates a high tone through the syllable/vowel, the underlining indicates a low tone)

(It's confusing because many times they say, you can't have an initial H without a rise,
so I don't know when the rise is included and when it's not :? :( ).

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Listen to kake and behage here, do you hear it like in A) or B)
http://www.forvo.com/user/Andeby/
(These words are supposed to have different tones :P :roll: )
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-05-27, 19:10

Ah, that does make sense! :para: I can totally imagine them saying this with that exact difference ... let me go see if they're in, and I'll ask them.

And yep, I made one of them say S/sola, rota and lo/åven, and she said it just like that! :o
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-05-27, 20:53

So, they pronounce it as the B type? :)
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-05-27, 21:21

Ah, sorry! Missed the question somehow! "B" ;)
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2012-06-01, 21:23

TeneReef wrote:Æ vil bare dans was supposed to sound like Everybody dance? :P
They did fool me. :oops: I heard the alveolar r as a tap t/d. :P :ohwell:

Actually... My flatmate was having a party last night, and they were singing this song, and in my mind, I heard everybody "dahnce" :P
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-06-01, 22:14

:lol: I like this song, it's both fun and funny. I guess it's because of the Bodø accent.
Have you noticed, the people from Tromsø pronounce ø in a Swedish way, like IPA [ø] (instead of closer to a schwa) :shock: , and in the word Tromsø the pronunciation is even exaggerated, it can sound a bit like [2trumse]. :mrgreen:
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby language learner » 2012-07-17, 16:59

Is it fine to pronounce [ɛr] instead of [ær] for <er>?

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Remis » 2012-07-18, 4:06

имен wrote:Is it fine to pronounce [ɛr] instead of [ær] for <er>?
It's fine, I suppose, but note that it sounds really, really weird.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby language learner » 2012-07-18, 10:27

and what abot [er]?
And why is the d silent after n and l not only at the end of the words?

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Remis » 2012-07-18, 14:23

имен wrote:and what abot [er]?
And why is the d silent after n and l not only at the end of the words?
Sounds just as weird! Haha. The only difference is that [ɛr] will make you sound weird in a Swedish way, while [er] just sounds weird.
Hmm I think it has to do with syllables. If the /d/ is part of the syllable with the /n/ or /l/, such as "and" (duck), it's silent (andejakt: duck hunting, in which the /d/ is silent), while if it's part of the second syllable after a syllable that ends with /l/ or /d/ it's voiced (example: alder "age").
That's actually a pretty terrible explanation now that I think about it, seeing as the syllable boundaries might as well be caused by the silent /d/.
Quoting Colloquial Norwegian: "d: silent: at the end of words after a vowel and usually after /r/, /l/ and /n/."
Doesn't explain it much more, I'm afraid!
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-07-18, 22:20

It's perectly fine to pronounce ER as written:
In Stavanger er is pronounced [e:]: jeg er student: [e:ge:stʉ1dɛ̝nt] (eg er student)
In Tromsø....er is pronounced [e:ɾ]: jeg er student: [æ:e:ʂtʉ1dɛ̝nt] (æ er student)

You can hear the phrase ''Jeg er student'' as pronounced in Stavanger here (at 0:11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz_ugZNVo-8
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Remis » 2012-07-19, 0:58

TeneReef wrote:In Tromsø....er is pronounced [e:ɾ]: jeg er student: [æ:e:ʂtʉ1dɛ̝nt] (æ er student)
No, I'm 99% sure this is pronounced [e:]/[e] in the Tromsø dialect and if one were to write it, it'd be <e> (æ e student). The same goes for pretty much all dialects north of Nordland, except the ones with heavy Sámi accents (spoken in Kautokeino, Karasjok, Tana, Nesseby, Porsanger and Kåfjord), which are pronounced more or less like bokmål but with a Sámi stress and a Northern pitch accent.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2012-07-19, 22:47

You are right, I just checked ''Introduction to Norwegian dialects'', and er is indeed [e:] in Troms, as well as in Stavanger, and Bergen. The r in er (the form of to be) is silent. For Bergen, they give a side form with a pronounced uvular R, and a lowered vowel.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby language learner » 2012-10-16, 18:59

How is gli pronounced? Is g silent?


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