Easy Polish for dummies

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Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-06, 17:35

I will teach you Polish language!
Lesson One

Polish writting system
Polish as you probably know is written using Latin alphabet, we will teach you it!
are you ready for the rumble?
OK!
let's start!
c = like ts
examples:
co? what?
ć
this letter is pronounced like Chinese (pinyin) q !
remember not to confuse this letter with cz!
which is ch!
the similar with the
s ś and sz
s is s
sz is sh
and ś ...
is like Chinese x.
hmmm...
remember not to confuse ś wish sh and ć with cz!
unfortunatelly I cannot tell you how does it sound!
you must hear it yourself!
also if you learn Japanese, the Japanese sh and chi are the same as ć and ś !
althought many Poles write sushi, and say suszi!
this is not correct!
they should say susi! (important notice! before i the ś contracts to s, but the sound is still ś!)
You may wonder why I did not begun the alphabet from the beginning, the reason is that you will not have problems with the rest of letters, a is just a!
not like in English when it may stand for many sounds, in Polish it's just a!
like in Spanish.
ą and ę
these are another problems!
these are nasal sounds, like in French.
but!
remember!
ą is not nasal sound of a!
but of o.
so it is something like on, om.
i think this is strange, maybe this is because if they would put a tail to o, it would be q!
by the way the q letter does not exist in Polish.
also x and v.
OK, so next we have
ch and h!
many foreigners learn the difference between these two letters!
but you don't have to!
many Polsih does not see this difference!
And you can suprise them if you will them that there is a difference between them!
really!
u and ó are also the same.
rz and ż too!
but !
this is a new sound for us!
like Russian ж.
:partyhat:
The other sound are too hard for foreigners, there is said "rather you would kill a white bear without a bow, than a "outside tribe" (common term in Poland to refer to foreigner) will learn how to pronounce Polish".
we end our lesson with this!
lesson two
welcome to our first lesson!
we will learn about Polish nouns, there are tree genders just like in German.
Masculine, feminine, and neuter.
ussualy it is easy to say what gender has the noun, if it ends with a consonant it is masculine, if with a, it is feminine, if with e or o it is neuter.
easy!
examples:
kot (cat)= masculine
baba(village woman) = feminine
słońce (sun) = neuter.
Polish grammar can be hard, the noun has 6 cases!

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby BezierCurve » 2009-02-06, 17:42

the noun has 6 cases!


7 in fact, but you probably won't scare off any speakers of Hungarian or Finnish.
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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby Sean of the Dead » 2009-02-06, 17:44

The cases in those mostly deal with prepositions as in IE languages. ;)
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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby lexus » 2009-02-06, 21:50

Didn't completely understand about ć / cz and ś / sz - is the difference in softness? If it really is then ś / sz are like russian щ / ш, aren't they? but ć and cz - can't understand the difference :roll:

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby Kuba » 2009-02-07, 21:18

lexus wrote:Didn't completely understand about ć / cz and ś / sz - is the difference in softness? If it really is then ś / sz are like russian щ / ш, aren't they? but ć and cz - can't understand the difference :roll:

Yes, the difference is in softness. ś and ć are alveopalatal, sz and cz postalveolat/retroflex. Although one should be careful if it comes to cognates in Russian and Polish, regarding pronounciation:
щ is related to szcz historically, but is spoken like a long ś.
ч is related to cz historically, but is spoken like ć. There is no "real" cz-sound anymore in modern Russian...
To get Polish sz, ż, cz, dż, szcz and żdż, a Russian speaker has to try to pronounce ш, ж, тш, дж, штш and ждж, respectively.
To get Polish ś, ź, ć, dź, ść and źdź, a Russian speaker has to try to pronounce a short щ, a voiced short щ, ч, a voiced ч, a fast щч and a voiced fast щч, respectively.
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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby lexus » 2009-02-09, 12:31

Thx for explanation :) It seems that I've begun to understand...
I'll try to find more sound examples (because before now I heard Polish only in songs of the Łzy band :lol: )

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-09, 22:41

BezierCurve wrote:
the noun has 6 cases!


7 in fact, but you probably won't scare off any speakers of Hungarian or Finnish.


hmm, but our are more irregular!

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby Sean of the Dead » 2009-02-09, 22:45

I like Polish a lot, but it's WAY too irregular for me. :P
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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-09, 23:06

lexus wrote:Thx for explanation :) It seems that I've begun to understand...
I'll try to find more sound examples (because before now I heard Polish only in songs of the Łzy band :lol: )

hmmm...
mabye if c is ts, then ć is tś.

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-09, 23:27

Hmmm..
OK I should write more about sounds!
now let's brake the dz dź and dż!
dż is simply j, so in Polish George W. Bush would be Dżordż dablju busz.
ah, by the way, do you know how to say "for dummies" in Poland?
or rather, how this seres is called in Poland?
"dla bystrzaków"!
the meaning is quite opposite!
funny.
OK, so what about the dz and dź?
there are very hardly sounds for you!
not teach sorry!
OK, so what about ź?
this letter is hard too!
it is like ś, but with z!
as you can make ś from s, do it from z!
:shock:
Ok, so what about grammar?
let's make a plural!
it is easy!
just add y or i (after g or k)!

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby BezierCurve » 2009-02-09, 23:38

ah, by the way, do you know how to say "for dummies" in Poland?
or rather, how this seres is called in Poland?
"dla bystrzaków"!


Which, sadly, reminds me of our inability to laugh at ourselves (at least in many cases). :|
Brejkam wszystkie rule.

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby voron » 2009-02-10, 13:19

polishboy wrote:let's make a plural!
it is easy!
just add y or i (after g or k)!

To chyba dla bystrzaków :D

I wish it were that easy
(student - studenCI, nóż - nożE, pole - polA, król - królOWIE, dzień - dNI, zwierzę - zwierzĘTA)

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-12, 22:26

voron wrote:
polishboy wrote:let's make a plural!
it is easy!
just add y or i (after g or k)!

To chyba dla bystrzaków :D

I wish it were that easy
(student - studenCI, nóż - nożE, pole - polA, król - królOWIE, dzień - dNI, zwierzę - zwierzĘTA)



to na później, hehe.

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-12, 23:02

OK!
Next lesson!
SO now we will learn about the personal pronouns
ja
ty
on ona ono
my
wy
oni one

one is the same for feminine and neuter noun.

best way to remember is example!
so let's do some examples!
don't worry that you don't understand much!

ja noszę spudnicę
I wear a skirt

ty liżesz loda

you lick an icecream

ona jest piękna

she is beutiful

on wypił dzisiaj za dużo

he drunk today too much

ono już umie chodzić

it can walk already

my tu jeszcze zabawimy

we will come here again.


oni to nie myśla o swoich pralkach

they don't think about their wash machines.

one kupiły se nowe bikini i pójdą na plażę.

they bought new bikinis and will go to beach.

OK!

now let's learn the Polish verb to be!
it is irregular.

jestem
jesteś
jest
jesteśmy
jesteście


examples



jestem kobietą

I am a woman

jesteś pijany

you are drunk

jest piwo?
is there a beer?

jesteśmy na wczasach

we are on holiday

jesteście tutaj?

are you here?

dziś są walentynki

there are Valentine day today


OK!

let's talk about adjectives!

as you know
masculine end with y feminine with a and neuter with e

to say that something is you just write verb to be and add an adjcetive, but!
there is not the same wiht nouns!

you cannot say


jestem policjant

I am policeman

only you can say that with your name!

jestem Wojtek

I am Wojtek

but with nouns you cannot!

you must use narzędnik!
this is one of Polish cases, it's easy to make!

masculine and neuter add em and feminine change a to ą!
easy!
jestem policjantem is correct!
jesteś kierowcą you are a driver
you can see that Polish language does not have articles as many European languages do.
but!

you cannot say

jestem dobry policjantem !
I am a good policeman!
you must conjugate adjective too to this case!
in order to do that
add m to to masculine and neuter and change a to ą in feminine.
remember that you do this only if the adjective is part of a noun phrase!

so
jestem dobrym policjantem
jestem dobrą policjantką
I am good policewoman

what about plural nouns?

you add ami to all th nouns!
easy!

and ymi to all adjectives!

jesteście dobrymi policjantami!

and one note about the politeness!
many languages have something to show politeness and relationship between two people.
maybe English is the exception, but if you learned French, German etc you know they use special words to show politeness.
in Polish you use third person (not like in many Slavic languages and French plural second pronoun!)
and the words Pan or Pani !
Pan is for male and pani of course for females.
You can maybe use other words to show politeness, but these are general.

Co Pan robi?
what are you doing?
co robisz?
what are you doing?

some people use second person pronoun with this word, but this is not considered so correct. I have rea that maybe in older times it wasthe correct form, but now it sound a little not OK.


when to be polite and when not?

if you talk to a teacher, you must be polite, sometimes when children are to confident they say to them: "nie mów do mnie na ty!"
it means they don't wish to talk them as you would to a friend.
You don't use this word for children!
sometimes you can use word panna to young girls.
or maybe panicz to young boys (this sounds a little pre-war).
But rather you just can say ty to them.
because Pan and Pani mean "master".
so you can say "jestem panem tego królestwa!" I am a master of this kingdom! (maybe in a computer game).
That's a lot for today's lesson!
let's practice a little more!

co Pani robi dziś wieczorem?
what are you doing this evening?
(classic phrase for dating).
Dlaczego ten Pan nosi takie śmieszne spodnie w słoniki?
Why this man is wearing so funny throusers with little elephants?

Pani nauczycielko! odrobiłem zadanie domowe.
Teacher (woman) ! I made my homework!

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-13, 13:54

Welcome to our next lesson!
Jesteś dobrym policjantem?
:silly:
I hope you are!
mam nadzieję, że jesteś!
What we will learn today?
Maybe verbs, we have not touched them yet!
except for to be verb!

Polish verbs can be a challenge I think!
There are many kinds of verbs.
In English to create another tense you use grammar, in Polish often too, but sometimes you need to use different verb!
but for now as we are beginning let's not talk about complicated things!
let's consider only easy verbs!

kochać means to love!
to create indefinite form 不定形 부정형
add ć to the end of a verb!
OK!
you are right!
you don't have to add anything, since this is the verb ou will find in a dictionary!
sometimes there is ending c!
but not very often!

let's conjugate!

Polish verbs like Spanish conjugate.

kocham
kochasz
kocha
kochamy
kochacie
kochają

easy!
But remember!
often Polish verbs are not so easy!
there are many rules!
but for now, let's concentrate on this!
we will learn irregularities in the later stage!
We are just beginners!
I don't want to scare you with super mega complicated rules !
I think we should go step by step!
Then Polish grammar will not be so hard!
yes, Polish grammar is considered hard!
I have read in a book that the most hard among slavic languages!
If you are Slavic already, or you know some Slavic language, Polish will not be so hard for you.
But~!
Remember that they are many so called false friends!
for example

jutro in Serbo-Croatian (hmmm, why such stupid name? cannot we call this language Yugoslavian? it's easier! I am not Serbian Imperialist, I just think this name would match more, than thsi stupid "Serbo-Croato-Bosnian", or maybe Southern Slavic ! ) means (you forgot they beginning of the sentence right? sorry for such long parentheses!) morning there, but in Polish it means tomorrow!
what about hodina?
it means a year!
but in Polish godzina (in Slavic nouns often h changes into g, especially Czech people tend to use h and Polish g) means an hour!

There are many more funny examples.
But let's come back to our lessons!
I hope you are enjoying them!
I think book should have man examples!
It is important to use the language!
I hope in future, if you will be Ok with Polish, stop using translations! (only to some hard words).
Since you should be ready to start reading Polish websites!
Practice is very important!
Don' bother to look up every word in a dictionary!
Of course we are speaking about an advanced stage!
Now you are not able to read Polish websites!

Ok let's stop blah blah blah!
or in Polish ple ple ple!

kocham moją żonę

I love my wife

kochasz mnie?

Do you love me?

kocha nie kocha
loves loves me not

kochamy się jak dzikie zwierzętą!
we love ourselves like wild animals! (or better to translate for we make sex).

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby BezierCurve » 2009-02-13, 14:17

Spódnica. :?
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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-13, 14:19

BezierCurve wrote:Spódnica. :?


Bo to jest dla bystrzakow :P

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-16, 13:31

OK did you sent a valentine?
if so let's start lesson!
We will learn today about how to make dopelniacz case!
to make it add a to masculine and neuter, and y to feminine.
and to plural ów
but! must remember that it you put the noun in this caes after the noun!
kwiat dziewczyny
flower of a girl
dziewczyna = girl

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby Timpul » 2009-02-24, 13:02

oni to nie myśla o swoich pralkach

...nie myślą.
one kupiły se nowe bikini i pójdą na plażę.

kupiły SOBIE.
ja noszę spudnicę

Spódnicę.
Pani nauczycielko! odrobiłem zadanie domowe.

It's not natural to speak like that. We use "proszę pani" instead.
kochamy się jak dzikie zwierzętą!

... zwierzęta.
or in Polish ple ple ple!

ORLY? It's bla bla bla for me.
and ymi to all adjectives!

What about "ciężki", "długi"? Teaching like that can cause some misunderstandings among non-Polish speakers. I really appreciate your work... but immerse yourself in Polish grammar.

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Re: Easy Polish for dummies

Postby polishboy » 2009-02-27, 17:08

a wlasnie, ze ple ple.


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