What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby Lenguas » 2011-04-09, 16:49

Narbleh wrote:So if your definition of "real language" is "natural language" then your argument is kind of pointless, isn't it? :P

Actually if we replace the word "real" in his post to "natural" it becomes:
"Here's a fast and simple way to make Esperanto easier: Forget about it and learn a natural language instead."

You could say the same about say, Persian:
"Here's a fast and simple way to make Persian easier: Forget about it and learn a different language/or learn nothing instead--e.g. if you don't learn something it will be easier for you.

Or "Here's a fast and simple way to make learning how to write easier for you--don't learn how to write.

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby Narbleh » 2011-04-09, 16:59

Talib wrote:I don't understand what you mean, but I don't really care either way, so I'll leave you Esperantojvom or whatever in peace.

Well thanks for stopping by the Esperanto forum and wasting everyone's time. 8-)
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby Prosper_Youplaboum » 2011-04-09, 18:20

Here's a fast and simple way to make Esperanto easier: Forget about it and learn a real language instead.


LOL

Forget about Esperanto and learn Georgian :mrgreen:
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby linguaholic » 2011-04-10, 14:45

Talib wrote:It's a constructed language.
linguaholic wrote:It is.
Got anything to back that up?


Um, UEA member statistics? Statistics on where participants in Esperanto meetings come from? You can hardly deny that if Esperanto is spoken, it is usually used between people from different countries - fits my definition of "international" pretty well.
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 15:29

If your definition of international is having speakers in different countries, then Hmong must be a world language!

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby linguaholic » 2011-04-10, 15:35

My definition of "international" is "used to communicate between speakers from different national/language backgrounds". What is yours?
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 15:40

A language I might have a decent chance of speaking in a foreign country for starters. Failing that, one that's used in official contexts and internationalfora organizations.
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby loqu » 2011-04-10, 15:42

Well, Esperanto is used on Unilang, which is an international forum.

Quite cheap I know, but it still matches your definition
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 15:43

Lol, but no.

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby linguaholic » 2011-04-10, 15:44

A language I might have a decent chance of speaking in a foreign country for starters. Failing that, one that's used in official contexts and international fora.


I run into Esperanto speakers quite regularly, actually. But it might just be the kind of people I hang out with. :P
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 16:02

I have never met anyone in my life who spoke or was learning it, so my point is that you pretty much have to seek out Esperantists on your own if you want to use it. That makes it not international, but the province of a few hobbyists.

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby linguaholic » 2011-04-10, 16:20

I'm not saying Esperanto is everywhere or anything. Just that it's not as useless as many make it out to be. How many people have you asked if they spoke or studied Esperanto?
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 16:32

I think it's the most useful conlang, but that's not saying much.
How many people have you asked if they spoke or studied Esperanto?
Nobody, but I have asked people which languages they've studied and nobody has ever mentioned it.

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby loqu » 2011-04-10, 16:36

People don't usually say out loud they're studying Esperanto, not to be regarded as freaks. I do it myself!

What languages are you studying?

- French and Spanish. (= dull)
- French and Chinese. (= hipster)
- Chinese and Arabic. (= nerd)
- Esperanto. (= stupid)
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 16:37

Good to know I'm dull, hipster and a nerd.

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby loqu » 2011-04-10, 16:38

Oh, that's not my opinion, that's the average Joe's one after hearing those answers. Nerd beats all others, though.
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby Lenguas » 2011-04-10, 16:39

Not in the US. Here studying languages, especially ones more exotic than Spanish is considered extremely cool.

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby linguoboy » 2011-04-10, 16:41

Lenguas wrote:Not in the US. Here studying languages, especially ones more exotic than Spanish is considered extremely cool.

I would like to live in this US sometime. How do I get there?
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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-04-10, 16:44

I'm not sure the average Joe has heard of Esperanto and if he has, I'm not at all certain he would regard it as "cool".

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Re: What would you change about Esperanto to make it easier?

Postby Lenguas » 2011-04-10, 16:46

I would like to live in this US sometime. How do I get there?

Click your heals together, saying the magic words, and you will be in the US.

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I'm not sure the average Joe has heard of Esperanto.

Yes, although it is the only artificial language he has heard of, besides maybe Klingon and Elvish.


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