Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Vortarulo » 2009-03-01, 23:21

Formiko wrote:I have an Esperanto Desperado CD, and I swore the singer was French by his /r/'s and how he stressed the last syllable. When I found out he was Swedish, I was shocked!


You mean Kim Henriksen? He's Danish actually, and has a pretty thick Danish accent. I love that, most Danish Esperantists speak that way and it somehow amuses me to no end. :D
And Danish /r/ is pretty much the same as the French /r/, so I see how one might think he had a Danish accent.
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby linguaholic » 2009-03-02, 10:07

When I said something in Esperanto to somebody from Italy who didn't speak it a while ago she said that it sounded Polish to her, so there's probably a point to Polish being a good accent. Surprise as Zamenhof was from Poland... :roll: :wink:

I guess I have a German accent (I can't trill the r's properly, but always try and sound ridiculous), but I wouldn't really know as I hardly ever speak it. Don't know any real-life Eo speakers.
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Formiko » 2009-03-02, 12:28

linguaholic wrote:When I said something in Esperanto to somebody from Italy who didn't speak it a while ago she said that it sounded Polish to her, so there's probably a point to Polish being a good accent. Surprise as Zamenhof was from Poland... :roll: :wink:

I guess I have a German accent (I can't trill the r's properly, but always try and sound ridiculous), but I wouldn't really know as I hardly ever speak it. Don't know any real-life Eo speakers.


Don't you have a Esperanto club near you?
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby ''' » 2009-03-02, 13:06

Got one of those for canberra?
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby linguaholic » 2009-03-02, 17:56

Yeah, the Esperanto club is about 10 min's walk from my place, hehe. Never found the time. Guess I'm not interested enough right now. I wasn't complaining. :)
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Mutusen » 2009-03-02, 18:09

Por mi estas sufiĉe malfacile rekoni Esperantajn akĉentojn. La sola afero, kiun mi rimarkas, estas la elparolo de R: se elparolata [ʁ], la parolanto ofte estas franca (mi ne povas maltrafi ĝin :) ), aŭ nederlanda aŭ germana.
Sed se ĝi estas elparolata [r] aŭ [ɾ], mi ne povas diri (eĉ se la parolanto estas franca).

For me it's quite difficult to recognize Esperanto accents. The only thing that I notice easily is the pronunciation of R: when it's pronounced [ʁ], the speaker is often French (I can't miss it :) ), or Dutch or German.
But if it is pronounced [r] or [ɾ], I can't tell (even if the speaker if French).

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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Formiko » 2009-03-02, 20:15

''' wrote:Got one of those for canberra?


http://aea.esperanto.org.au/local-organisations
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-03-03, 1:25

Hey, there's one at my university! I should join...

Well, maybe not, as my vocabulary's crap.
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Formiko » 2009-03-03, 2:52

ILuvEire wrote:Hey, there's one at my university! I should join...

Well, maybe not, as my vocabulary's crap.


No, the clubs help you practice and increase your vocabulary! That's the only place most people get to chat with other Esperantists!
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

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Formiko wrote:
''' wrote:Got one of those for canberra?


http://aea.esperanto.org.au/local-organisations


I'll take that as a no then.
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-03-03, 5:30

''' wrote:
Formiko wrote:
''' wrote:Got one of those for canberra?


http://aea.esperanto.org.au/local-organisations


I'll take that as a no then.


You should start one! See if there's a calling for it.
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Postby ''' » 2009-03-03, 6:27

I'm trying to set up a language society at uni. In theory if enough people of any group come along, we can start new groups.
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Formiko » 2009-03-03, 8:25

''' wrote:I'm trying to set up a language society at uni. In theory if enough people of any group come along, we can start new groups.


Why not start a Meetup?
http://esperanto.meetup.com/cities/au/canberra/

I belonged to at least 3 meetups so far. It's funny how meetups work. We go online to meet each other offline:)
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby ''' » 2009-03-03, 9:10

Sounds good, I'm going to an XKCD meetup saturday, so that should be fun. Though, how many Canberra esperantists are likely to have that website?
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Formiko » 2009-03-04, 5:52

''' wrote:Sounds good, I'm going to an XKCD meetup saturday, so that should be fun. Though, how many Canberra esperantists are likely to have that website?


XKCD Esperante :)

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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Mutusen » 2009-03-04, 17:11

Amuze. Ankaŭ mi tradukis kelkajn.

Funny. I translated a few too.

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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby ''' » 2009-03-05, 5:54

My Esperanto is shit, but can you ask a question in imperative? and wouldn't "this is important" be "ĉi tio estas grava"? (I rememebred a day or so ago that the ̂ can be put over consonants as well as vowels. YAY me. I still like the H system in a way, looks all italian-y despite the sounds being counter-intuitive now.)
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Narbleh » 2009-03-05, 7:00

Could you give an example of a question in the imperative? I'm not sure I understand :(

And I get the sense that Esperanto is like many languages in that it isn't as picky about this/that here/there as English is. If there's no reason to specifically point out proximity, then there's no reason to use cxi, as far as I know at least.
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Postby ''' » 2009-03-05, 8:20

the sentence was "ĉu vi venu en la liton?" which didn't make sense to me. The GB was "are you comming to bed?"
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Re: Who speaks Esperanto with the right accent?

Postby Vortarulo » 2009-03-05, 13:08

''' wrote:the sentence was "ĉu vi venu en la liton?" which didn't make sense to me. The GB was "are you comming to bed?"


Well, "ĉu vi venu en la liton?" means "Do you have to go to bed?", not "Are young coming to bed?", which would simply be "ĉu vi venas/venos en la liton?".

Questions can be used with the -u form, but I wouldn't call it imperative then, but jussive (which is really a better description for -u then imperative). Imperative can, as far as I know, by definition only used in imperative sentences, never in subordinate clauses or questions. But in Esperanto it's possible, so it should not be analyzed as an imperative. In English, such cases would require a translation with "must" or "have to" in it.

1st person: Mi iru en la liton. = I gotta go to bed.
3rd person: Li venu en la liton! = He must go to bed!
Questions: Ĉu vi venu en la liton? = Do you have to go to bed?
Subclauses: Li diris, ke vi venu en la liton. = He said you have to go to bed.

And Narbleh, you're right about the ĉitiu (etc.) can always mean "this" and "that", you only need ĉi when you want to be more specific.
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