Eesti keele lingid / Estonian language links

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Eesti keele lingid / Estonian language links

Postby hashi » 2010-10-24, 8:57

We don't seem to have a single thread for collecting links to Estonian resources, so I figured I would start one for those interested in learning Estonian or finding out more about it.

General
Wikipedia page about Estonian
Estonian alphabet and phonology (Omniglot)
Eesti keele instituut

Phrases and Vocab
Speak Estonian - phrases, vocab, verbs

Grammar
List of cases
Estonian language blog (Recommended!)

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If you have any more links, post them below and I will try to keep this original post as up to date as possible, but thats not always possible, so be sure to read the entire thread too!


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Postby Arvi » 2010-11-05, 7:26

Here you can use several dictionaries at once

To Corcaighist: I read in your blog about your confusion with estonian syntax :mrgreen:
Follow Hashi's link Eesti Keele Instituut>Books>Eesti Keele Käsiraamat - and select SÜNTAKS there. The text there is really heawy-weight, but as linquist you are probably able to cope with it.
Generally, in Estonian you can reorder different parts of sentence (or words in part of sentence) quite freely - but usually the meaning of the sentence depends on used order (sometimes the difference is subtle, sometimes cardinal). But you have to keep individual parts of the sentence together. (Parts of sentence = Lauseliikmed)
You may say, that in Estonian, the syntax carries additional information. :idea:

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Postby corcaighist » 2010-11-05, 8:48

Aitäh sulle Arvi.

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Postby Loiks » 2010-11-07, 7:14

Omniglot is not correct about long vowels and consonants: they are never written with three letters. Three letters can appear only in combined words or if suffix is added: if vowels: maa-ala, if consonants: kukkki (-gi/-ki).

Secondly, the letter z is [tsett] not [see]. Only used in Greek loanwords like zoo- (-loogia, -loog, -fiil etc). It is also used for some Võro family names like Zirk [tsirk].

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Postby hashi » 2010-11-07, 7:32

Loiks wrote:Omniglot is not correct about long vowels and consonants: they are never written with three letters. Three letters can appear only in combined words or if suffix is added: if vowels: maa-ala, if consonants: kukkki (-gi/-ki).

Secondly, the letter z is [tsett] not [see]. Only used in Greek loanwords like zoo- (-loogia, -loog, -fiil etc). It is also used for some Võro family names like Zirk [tsirk].


Haha, I always think the word poisssõber is a cute word with it's three s's.

Oddly, Colloquial Estonian says z is zee :/

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Postby Loiks » 2010-11-07, 16:52

I guess it's a little bit a matter of cultural heritage: [zee] is Soviet-Russian variant and [tsett] Baltic German. Estonians are almost inable to pronounce [z], so it's either [s] or [ts]. [tsee] (c) and [see] (z) would sound very similar, so [tsett] is better to distinguish.

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Postby hashi » 2010-11-07, 17:30

Loiks wrote:I guess it's a little bit a matter of cultural heritage: [zee] is Soviet-Russian variant and [tsett] Baltic German. Estonians are almost inable to pronounce [z], so it's either [s] or [ts]. [tsee] (c) and [see] (z) would sound very similar, so [tsett] is better to distinguish.


Interesting. Are there many soviet Russians still in Estonia who can differentiate /s/ and /z/?

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Postby Arvi » 2010-11-07, 17:56

Loiks wrote:I guess it's a little bit a matter of cultural heritage: [zee] is Soviet-Russian variant and [tsett] Baltic German. Estonians are almost inable to pronounce [z], so it's either [s] or [ts]. [tsee] (c) and [see] (z) would sound very similar, so [tsett] is better to distinguish.



Someone having a surname like Zirk is either showing off, or having foreign ancestors. Or somewhere in 19. century some German landlord did give this name to someone, and it lived through all name-changing campaigns until today.

In Estonian, all person names, and almost all site (country, settlement, region etc.) names, from countries, which are using latin alphabet, are written as in original language - and are pronounced as in original language too. Characters c, q, z, x and y are used in such names only. And other characters not included int Estonian alphabet may be used too - in case printing office has proper fonts. (Any estonian not able to pronounce such name properly is probably considered as an illiterate - taking into account the number of different languages which use latin alphabet this makes almost everyone of us illiterate :silly: )

The writing of names from languages using other alphabets is based on pronuncion in original language - and along with proper estonian characters foreign come characters (f, š, z and ž) may be used too (like Tšernomõrdin p.e.).

Characters f, š and ž are also used rarely in borrowed words, which aren't 'estonized' jet, like šaakal. füüsika or žetoon. No really estonian word (or name) can contain any character from either of groups.

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Postby Loiks » 2010-11-21, 1:40

hashi wrote:
Loiks wrote:I guess it's a little bit a matter of cultural heritage: [zee] is Soviet-Russian variant and [tsett] Baltic German. Estonians are almost inable to pronounce [z], so it's either [s] or [ts]. [tsee] (c) and [see] (z) would sound very similar, so [tsett] is better to distinguish.


Interesting. Are there many soviet Russians still in Estonia who can differentiate /s/ and /z/?


We have about 30 percent Russian speaking colonists brought in during the occupation.

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Postby Roger » 2013-01-16, 14:33

Interesting. Are there many soviet Russians still in Estonia who can differentiate /s/ and /z/?


There are also people, who paid attention in the first grade when alphabet was taught. :D
The differences are also taught in Russian classes (5th grade).
Estonians usually do not pronounce z, š and ž correctly because they think they would sound too fancy.

In other finno-ugric languages (especially Karelian) they use these kinds of sounds. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_language#History)
For example mees is mieš in Karelian. :D

In Finland I saw a newly published book called "Livvikarjalan kielioppi". It was quite cool. :D
I can give some examples of Karelian languages in my later posts.

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Postby ainurakne » 2013-01-16, 17:34

Roger wrote:There are also people, who paid attention in the first grade when alphabet was taught. :D
The differences are also taught in Russian classes (5th grade).
Estonians usually do not pronounce z, š and ž correctly because they think they would sound too fancy.
Interestingly, when I was in 1st grade (which I think was in '94), then there were no š, z or ž in the alphabet that was taught to us (maybe it was just a weird school). So for me those letters were as foreign as x and y, until when in later years I found out that they are in the official alphabet - I was like: WTF?

I don't think that š, z and ž are too fancy for some Estonians, they are just quite difficult to pronunciate (for quite many Estonians). Normal Estonian consonants are very easy to pronunciate: you have to deviate your mouth minimally from its "default" shape/location to get those sounds out. But all foreign sounds require quite much force to be applied to the muscles that aren't used to something like that - so those sounds tend to disrupt the natural flow of speech. :roll:
Eesti keel (et) native, English (en) I can manage, Suomi (fi) trying to learn, Pусский (ru)&Deutsch (de) unfortunately, slowly fading away

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Postby Roger » 2013-01-18, 13:16

I remember that when teacher got to the letter c and said that it should be pronounced as "tsee" then one smart boy asked: "But what about Russian s?" Maybe she then thought that it was better not to hide the information. :D Anyway, we learned the sounded z and ž and even learned that for some people y is ü and for others its i. I also remember the "kaksisvee-kaksisvee-kaksisvee" joke. :D She didn't tell us explicitly about sounded d, b, and g, but she sometimes pronounced them somewhat foreign-alike in foreign words. And everybody's mother tongue was Estonian. :D She also gave English classes for interested students. The school was Tallinna Pääsküla Keskkool (Gümnaasium) and the year was 1997.

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Postby Roger » 2013-01-28, 12:08

I found some interesting resources for learning Estonian. :)
The magazines Inseneeria and EAS have their stories on the Internet in PDF and for some stories also in MP3 format. So you can listen and then read the stories.

Direct links for interesting stuff:

http://inseneeria.eas.ee/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=83%3Amai-2012&layout=default&Itemid=27

http://hei.eas.ee/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=112:2012-jaanuar&Itemid=68&layout=default

(The magazines were government funded and are now discontinued.)

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Postby Kratineti » 2013-03-06, 20:36

I found this site -
http://www.oneness.vu.lt/ee

Algajatele eesti keele õppimiseks :)
Kas keegi soovib keelevahetust? Aitaksin Teid eesti keele õppimises. Ise soovin oma inglise keelt täiendada/harjutada :)

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Postby Arvi » 2013-03-18, 19:15

A new online course available:
http://www.keeleklikk.ee

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Postby corcaighist » 2013-09-07, 14:35

The original post hasn't been updated since it was created in 2010. Perhaps it is time to put all these links together in the OP?

Also add: The Estonian Language Blog on Tumblr

Let's Speak Estonian on YouTube

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Postby Delusion Demon » 2013-12-27, 21:31

Kratineti wrote:I found this site -
http://www.oneness.vu.lt/ee

It looks a wonderful sity; aitää

I know this multilingual on-line Estonian course, with many dialogues and videoes: http://www.panglosskool.eu/

I just list my knowlegde in Estonian sites:

- an Estonian Grammar ... in Estonian! - http://www.eki.ee/books/ekk09/
- course - Mylanguages /Learn Estonian (good site) - http://mylanguages.org/learn_estonian.php
- course - Speak Estonian - http://www.speakestonian.co.uk/
- dict. powerful dictionary with examples: http://dict.ibs.ee/
- dict. Morphoanalizator: http://www.filosoft.ee/html_morf_et/
- dict. dictionary: http://kiisu.eki.ee/
- Dictionnaire Estonien-Français: http://www.lexilogos.com/estonien_dictionnaire.htm
- thesaurus: http://www.cl.ut.ee/ressursid/teksaurus ... rus.cgi.en

- culture: Institute of the Estonian Language (see also Dictionaries) http://www.eki.ee/index.html.en
- culture: Estonian Nation Official Site: http://estonia.eu/
- culture: U can search something interesting here: http://www.estinst.ee/eng/information-booklets/
- Estonian Swadesh List: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix: ... adesh_list
- TONS of translated songs from Estonian: (I put Võro, so you can see there's more): http://lyricstranslate.com/en/language/south-estonian

And my humble suggestion: the more you study the less you learn: hundreds of wonderful sites, Estonian is such a fascinating and difficoult language, that all you need is no bulks of study-material, but directly practicing language: would you like to know how I really learnt something in Estonian? Translating jokes ... (forget courses): let's see how many words I forgot:

Janune mees kõnnib kõrbes ja otsib veet. Tulle tuleb vastu eksinud eesel, veetünnid seljas. Mees näeb seda ja hüüatab rõõmsalt - "Eesel, sa oled ingel!" - "Kas tõesti? Miks sa kohe ei öelnud?", vastab eesel ja ländab minema.

for jokes in Estonian: http://www.naljad.ee/

I also would like to learn proverbs and popular sayings in many languages: do you know something of this kind, about Estonian? >> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Estonian_proverbs

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Re: Eesti keele lingid / Estonian language links

Postby h34 » 2016-03-31, 4:33

I've just come across this encyclopedia about Estonia. Most (all?) articles appear in Estonian, English and Russian:
http://www.estonica.org/en/


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