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Why would it be? It's Sino-Tibetan, closely related to Mandarin. I don't know of any proposals for Altaic that include the Sinitic family.hāozigǎnr wrote:Wait. Is Dungan classified as an Altaic language?
mōdgethanc wrote:Why would it be? It's Sino-Tibetan, closely related to Mandarin. I don't know of any proposals for Altaic that include the Sinitic family.hāozigǎnr wrote:Wait. Is Dungan classified as an Altaic language?
So do I. I just didn't want to get bogged down in details about whether it's a "dialect" or a "variety" or a "topolect". Besides, Mandarin will be anything you want her to be, if the price is right.vijayjohn wrote:And yes, I believe it actually is Mandarin, as Wikipedia says, not just closely related to it).
vijayjohn wrote:Yeah, I don't know why schnaz posted links that have to do with Altaic languages, either. The Dungan language is definitely not Altaic by any definition; it's a variety of Mandarin. (And yes, I believe it actually is Mandarin, as Wikipedia says, not just closely related to it).
vijayjohn wrote:Anyway, I think this is pretty interesting. Until now, I didn't know about any of the actual differences between this language and, say, Standard Mandarin or Beijing Mandarin. Apparently, even the basic vocabulary contains a lot(?) of loanwords from Arabic and Persian. I guess the names of Hui people outside China are also not exactly typical of Chinese names (Yasyr looks more like "Yasser" than any Chinese name I know of).
Pangu wrote:I wouldn't say it "IS" Mandarin because they are not mutually intelligible.
vijayjohn wrote:Apparently, even the basic vocabulary contains a lot(?) of loanwords from Arabic and Persian. I guess the names of Hui people outside China are also not exactly typical of Chinese names (Yasyr looks more like "Yasser" than any Chinese name I know of).
hāozigǎnr wrote:Pangu wrote:I wouldn't say it "IS" Mandarin because they are not mutually intelligible.
In English "Mandarin" can refer to both "Standard Mandarin" (国语/普通话) or "the Mandarin dialects group" (官话) which includes i.e. 北京话、天津话、东北话、山东话、河北话、河南话、湖北话、四川话、甘肃话、陕西话……
Dungan is a form of 陕西话, thus a form of 官话.
Pangu wrote:hāozigǎnr wrote:Pangu wrote:I wouldn't say it "IS" Mandarin because they are not mutually intelligible.
In English "Mandarin" can refer to both "Standard Mandarin" (国语/普通话) or "the Mandarin dialects group" (官话) which includes i.e. 北京话、天津话、东北话、山东话、河北话、河南话、湖北话、四川话、甘肃话、陕西话……
Dungan is a form of 陕西话, thus a form of 官话.
I can't say I know enough about Dungan to argue further. However, from what I do know, Dungan would be a distant cousin of 陝西話 at best.
hāozigǎnr wrote:Pangu wrote:hāozigǎnr wrote:Pangu wrote:I wouldn't say it "IS" Mandarin because they are not mutually intelligible.
In English "Mandarin" can refer to both "Standard Mandarin" (国语/普通话) or "the Mandarin dialects group" (官话) which includes i.e. 北京话、天津话、东北话、山东话、河北话、河南话、湖北话、四川话、甘肃话、陕西话……
Dungan is a form of 陕西话, thus a form of 官话.
I can't say I know enough about Dungan to argue further. However, from what I do know, Dungan would be a distant cousin of 陝西話 at best.
Just like your Taiwanese Minnan speaking fellows have to make an effort to understand 厦门话 or 泉州话, but they are still Minnan.
Or even further, you guys cannot communicate with 福州话, but it still belongs to the Min language (but Mindong "branch").
Youngfun wrote:the language is mutually intelligible in the basilect (=basic every day words) [...]
But because of the Russian influence, Dungan uses Russian loanwords for the acrolect (="high" words).
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