The Political Compass (again)

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby TheStrayCat » 2018-01-18, 18:40

January 2018:

Economic Left/Right: -2.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby הענט » 2018-02-25, 19:42

Feb 18

Economic Left/Right: -3.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54

Quite a change.

Previously:
Economic Left/Right -1.38
Social Lib/Auth -1.64

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Saim » 2018-02-26, 1:27

הענט wrote:Feb 18

Economic Left/Right: -3.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54

Quite a change.

Previously:
Economic Left/Right -1.38
Social Lib/Auth -1.64


Soom you'll be a dirty pinko like the rest of us. :D

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby הענט » 2018-02-26, 8:36

Saim wrote:
הענט wrote:Feb 18

Economic Left/Right: -3.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54

Quite a change.

Previously:
Economic Left/Right -1.38
Social Lib/Auth -1.64


Soom you'll be a dirty pinko like the rest of us. :D


When in Rome, do as the Romans do. :) I spend way too much of my leisure time here. Haha

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Vlürch » 2018-04-03, 11:55

So, I finally did it again after at least a couple of years, and... eh. Apparently I'm literally Gandhi? :oops:

Economic Left/Right: -6.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97

...but one thing to note is that I feel like some of the questions are pretty much impossible to answer realistically, and as such I answered them optimistically.

For example, I'd like to think gay couples could be in a stable enough relationship to adopt kids and that pedophiles wouldn't abuse the system by pretending to be gay couples so that they can get children, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a stable, loving relationship between any two people and I know pedophiles go to insane lengths to access children. So, even though I answered "agree" to that question, realistically I'd have put "disagree".

I also "agreed" with "military action that defies international law is sometimes justified" because if it was something like assassinations of dictators or terrorist leaders, etc. that would further the common good, especially if it's to stop a genocide or something. However, I know that realistically such operations are not carried out for the improvement of the human rights of the average people, so if I hadn't answered it optimistically I'd have put "strongly disagree".

One thing I answered "strongly disagree" to is "our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races" because I don't believe that race should even be a thing. There are different ethnicities, but the concept of race is pointless and incorrectly lumps and divides groups of people in ways that can only be ultimately harmful. So, even though I do believe that genetics explain some cultural differences or inclinations, those are secondary and easily overridden by other aspects of an individual's identity.

Even if genetic differences account for some overarching cultural ties between "races" like all black ethnicities with one another, all white ethnicities with one another, etc. in my opinion having a racial identity, especially as a defining characteristic, is ridiculous; national, cultural and above all individual identities are much more important.

Objectively, of course, a "spacefaring race" has many superior qualities to a "hunter-gatherer race", but I don't think that makes the latter any worse; they could even be more "civilised" if they have a higher collective respect for individual freedoms and whatnot, but that has nothing to do with skin colour, genetics, etc. so it's not "race" in the sense that the question implies.

I did "strongly disagree" with "there are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures", though. I don't like the terms because they're implied to be mutually exclusive, but it is a fact that not all cultures are equally advanced in terms of technology, respect for human rights and personal freedoms, etc. Like, Saudi Arabia and North Korea for example are "civilised" in terms of technological advancement but still actively oppress women, all minorities, etc.

All the other questions were pretty straightforward, I guess. I was half-expecting it to label me literally Hitler since that's what everyone always considers me to be, but it seems like I'm not a Nazi after all. :P

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby MarkusP » 2018-04-05, 22:42

Many of the questions are biased but not I'm not sure if there is anyone not annoyed by them.

Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.0

an approximate of what I had 10 months ago
Economic Left/Right: -8.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.5
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby md0 » 2018-04-06, 4:14

Yeah, and also the problem with all those quizzes is that they don't adjust for your previous answers.
1. Should the state be abolished?
-> Yes
2. Should the state recognise same-sex marriage?
-> Erm.... Yes in the meantime, but No there's no need since it was abolished one question ago?
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby MarkusP » 2018-04-09, 11:17

md0 wrote:Yeah, and also the problem with all those quizzes is that they don't adjust for your previous answers.
1. Should the state be abolished?
-> Yes
2. Should the state recognise same-sex marriage?
-> Erm.... Yes in the meantime, but No there's no need since it was abolished one question ago?


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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-04-09, 13:54

MarkusP wrote:
md0 wrote:Yeah, and also the problem with all those quizzes is that they don't adjust for your previous answers.
1. Should the state be abolished?
-> Yes
2. Should the state recognise same-sex marriage?
-> Erm.... Yes in the meantime, but No there's no need since it was abolished one question ago?


It's not reasonable waiting for some imagined society before changing laws.

:hmm:

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby md0 » 2018-04-09, 16:31

MarkusP wrote:
md0 wrote:Yeah, and also the problem with all those quizzes is that they don't adjust for your previous answers.
1. Should the state be abolished?
-> Yes
2. Should the state recognise same-sex marriage?
-> Erm.... Yes in the meantime, but No there's no need since it was abolished one question ago?


It's not reasonable waiting for some imagined society before changing laws. I'm still content with where the site put me

That's not my point.
My point is that those quizzes do not adapt for your answers when you answer in a particular way at an earlier question that will render consequent questions moot.

If you want a different example:
1. Should executions be abolished?
- Yes
5. Should executions be public?
- 無
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby MarkusP » 2018-04-09, 22:30

md0 wrote:
MarkusP wrote:
md0 wrote:Yeah, and also the problem with all those quizzes is that they don't adjust for your previous answers.
1. Should the state be abolished?
-> Yes
2. Should the state recognise same-sex marriage?
-> Erm.... Yes in the meantime, but No there's no need since it was abolished one question ago?


It's not reasonable waiting for some imagined society before changing laws. I'm still content with where the site put me

That's not my point.
My point is that those quizzes do not adapt for your answers when you answer in a particular way at an earlier question that will render consequent questions moot.

If you want a different example:
1. Should executions be abolished?
- Yes
5. Should executions be public?
- 無


I don't agree, they can still be asked separately
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Lur » 2018-06-22, 9:12

I'm going to guess I'm still stuck in the bottom left corner.
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby mōdgethanc » 2018-06-27, 8:56

-3, -7

Despite the best efforts of this test to put everyone in the bottom left corner, I'm still a left-of-centre social liberal, or in other words a crypto-fascist state-capitalist bootlicker. If there were a better test I would take it, but they're all either biased in some direction, heavily Americentric, or use weird and nonsensical definitions of the political spectrum (like putting fascism on the far left and anarchism on the far right or some dumb crap like that). Once you correct for the leftward bias on Political Compass it's not so bad.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Lur » 2018-06-30, 15:46

Maybe it feels skewed to the left because this one may be Americentric (hence the right is called centre, the centre is called left left and the left goes to a fringe side)
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby mōdgethanc » 2018-07-02, 17:56

Lur wrote:Maybe it feels skewed to the left because this one may be Americentric (hence the right is called centre, the centre is called left left and the left goes to a fringe side)
Nah. The PC was created by a couple of British guys and I get the feeling based on their essays and charts that they're leftists who created it to bash neoliberalism. Therefore it tends to make the user appear more left while making politicians appear right so that they will get woke and question what the site calls the economic orthodoxy. But this is just speculation.

If it had been created by Americans they would have included more questions about guns, policing, and race. It's an especially obvious tell that they're British because it doesn't mention gun rights at all and that's a big part of American politics.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-07-02, 18:20

I remember when I was in eighth grade, we had this CD program in history class where we had to play a game that involved politicians running for some kind of election. (The point as I understand it was to introduce us to the kinds of propaganda techniques that politicians use during election season, such as "glittering generalities," "mudslinging," etc. This probably doesn't look like much to Europeans and maybe y'all up in Canada, but it's probably one of the most sophisticated techniques I remember actually being exposed to in any of my history-related classes. The only other one I can think of is Decisions, Decisions). The first thing we had to do was answer a few yes-or-no questions to determine whether we were more liberal or more conservative. I don't think guns or race were involved in the questions, and I'm not sure policing was, either, but then that may have been because it was deliberately sanitized for kids or something.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby mōdgethanc » 2018-07-03, 12:20

I remember when I was in eighth grade, we had this CD program in history class where we had to play a game that involved politicians running for some kind of election. (The point as I understand it was to introduce us to the kinds of propaganda techniques that politicians use during election season, such as "glittering generalities," "mudslinging," etc. This probably doesn't look like much to Europeans and maybe y'all up in Canada, but it's probably one of the most sophisticated techniques I remember actually being exposed to in any of my history-related classes.
Shit, that sounds woke. I lucked out and had a reformed Trotskyist for a history teacher though, so we were taught all about propaganda and critical thinking and other radical ~question authority~ type of things.
The first thing we had to do was answer a few yes-or-no questions to determine whether we were more liberal or more conservative.
Tbh I will never get tired of the wacky American political spectrum where conservatism is center-right, libertarianism is center, liberalism is far left, anarchism is far right, and fascism, socialism and communism are all exactly the same thing and all are on the left.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Lur » 2018-07-03, 12:22

mōdgethanc wrote:liberalism is far left, anarchism is far right, and fascism, socialism and communism are all exactly the same thing and all are on the left.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

mōdgethanc wrote:
Lur wrote:Maybe it feels skewed to the left because this one may be Americentric (hence the right is called centre, the centre is called left left and the left goes to a fringe side)
Nah. The PC was created by a couple of British guys and I get the feeling based on their essays and charts that they're leftists who created it to bash neoliberalism. Therefore it tends to make the user appear more left while making politicians appear right so that they will get woke and question what the site calls the economic orthodoxy. But this is just speculation.

If it had been created by Americans they would have included more questions about guns, policing, and race. It's an especially obvious tell that they're British because it doesn't mention gun rights at all and that's a big part of American politics.

I think I'd like one with a wider variety of questions and answers. I'd end up in the same place, but at least...
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-07-03, 12:30

To be fair, in school, we were never taught political divisions like that. We had to watch this video where we were introduced to absolute monarchy, representative democracy, communism, and socialist democracy, in that order. There was one more after all those, but I forgot what it was, maybe fascism? We were also introduced to anarchy, but not in much detail, and it was never treated seriously at all, which seemed a shame to me because, I mean, no government? You can do whatever you want? That sounds awesome! Tell me more, dammit! :lol: (Even though of course I knew it wasn't as simple as that).

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby mōdgethanc » 2018-07-03, 16:09

What the hell is a socialist democracy? India during the Cold War? Scandinavia? The Paris Commune? :hmm:

I'm surprised they didn't at least teach you about Athenian democracy. Americans love to say "we're a republic, not a democracy" for some reason, although those are ancient terms that mean exactly the same thing nowadays.
Lur wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
I wish I were joking, but many right-wing Americans legitimately believe this fuckery, based on a fuzzy and self-contradictory idea that less gubbit = right and more gubbit = left, unless it's more gubbit that does things that conservatives like, in which case it doesn't count.

Obviously this concept was invented by conservative pundits to make themselves look like the fearless defenders of liberty without being those nasty anarchists who only want chaos, while at the same time making the "left" (centrist Democrats) look like oppressive PC socialist Nazis.
I think I'd like one with a wider variety of questions and answers. I'd end up in the same place, but at least...
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