You all accused me of being an alt-right troll just because I don't support the antifa and I'm not that fond of Vox either.
As far as I can see, no-one accused you of being alt-right
, but I did accuse you of concern trolling in order to promote an alt-light
position. An enlightened centrist position if I may, a "classical liberal" position in Youtube terms. Should I have started with that? Maybe not, but I was being honest. I still tried to engage with your point and you ignored me at every turn. You are not doing anything to change my suspicion that you are not here looking for a honest political discussion.
FWIW, I am also not fond of Vox, and I'm not fond of them exactly because in their videos are dismissive of or hostile to many left-wing ideas that deviate from the established US Democrat platform (which for me is a moderate centre-right platform, not dissimilar to the liberal wing of our Conservative Party in Cyprus).
I mean, that's why I am really shocked you insist that Vox is even sympathetic to communism and that's why that's the only point I insist on asking you to explain your reasoning.
Then came the antifa, who didn't really appear until after Trump was put in power if I remember right.
I'm sure WW2 history is taught in the US, even if regional civil wars between fascists and antifascist fronts (e.g. Spanish, Greek) aren't. And to be fair, I don't expect that the battles to retake the streets back from fascists in the 80s and 90s will be covered in history classes. But certainly, WW2 was.
The antifascist movement movement is only a minute younger than fascism, and neither of them began just 3 years ago.
And while any consistent leftist has to be antifascist, not only leftists can be antifascist. Both in Spain and in Greece, moderate elements of the right-wing participated in antifascist activities. The antifascist movement in Cyprus was sadly not as strong, but those who participated in the 70s, today find themselves all over the political spectrum (demsocs, centrists, and liberal right-wingers).
Face it, if their roles were reversed, everyone would be defending the alt-right and label the antifa as villains.
No, we wouldn't. Opposition to fascism is akin to an immune system respond. We fight against what threatens us, our freedom and rights. In the absence of that threat, we enjoy our life.
Face it, you're the ones who are stupid and completely confused. You can't even fathom the idea that two people who don't like each other can both be evil!
You are right about that in general, but not in the particular. In this specific case, we have 80 years of history to tell us that fascism is bad, and opposing fascism is good, no matter what other politics we share or don't share.
Just watch a few videos of their channel, any videos, and their communist thinking is plainly obvious.
I do watch Vox, although less frequently than in the past. Their antifa video is, as a matter of fact, the one that made me distance myself. That video basically reinforced all right-wing ideas about antifa: they are inefficient at best or even just opportunist hooligans. The only thing that Vox did that Fox wouldn't do is to say that the news focus on (misportrayals of) antifa at the expense of "legitimate and peaceful" protesters.
This is why I'm so surprised you are so against Vox based on their antifa video. That video is shitting on antifa using politer words than what Fox would use. And they are less polite when they cover places ruled by nominally socialist parties, like Venezuela. Consistant with your identification as a progressive left-winger and your dislike for antifa, it would actually make more sense if you actually liked Vox since that's exactly their position.