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Yasna
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2020-07-09, 1:36

DissidentRage wrote:So the exception to prove the rule?

No.

Literally the same argument neo-Nazis and other racists use when called out for supporting people and positions that line up with those mindsets.

I agree with a good deal of Noam Chomsky's views. Does that make me a presumed anarcho-syndicalist?

Because it's the same arguments put out by people with similar interests.

This might have slipped past your notice, but people espousing centrist and center right views tend to have other stuff in common as well, such as looking at issues through the lens of classical liberalism.

It's because of knowledge of the history of right-wing thought and its motivations that I make that claim. Right-wing people are always on the wrong side of history, just as they are right now in the US on the wrong side of every single fucking issue.

Serious question: Where did you learn your history from?


I agree that there is room for debate. The point is, there's so much hard evidence against affirmative action, that going after the critics' imagined motives is simply avoiding the hard questions. One of the authors of the most prominent critical book on affirmative action (Mismatch, 2012), Richard Sander, has worked for a small neighborhood housing group on Chicago's south side, organized tenant unions, worked on the election effort and subsequent transition team of Chicago’s first black mayor, and was president of the Fair Housing Congress of Southern California from 1984 to 1996. This man is supposed to be engaged in "ad-hoc argumentation to justify the continuation of systemic racism"? Get out of here!

This was the case in the antebellum south. Racism in the US is largely the result of a concerted effort by the slave-owning population to create a false sense of solidarity among whites that was founded on a thinly-veiled threat: "you have it better than them and should feel grateful for that, because it could be you."

Wrong. Racism in the US was imported from the Old World.

Actual class interests are this: employers and employees fight over who gets the higher share of labor value, with one side wanting more working hours and the other side wanting less. Anything more than that is a distraction to divide workers. They've used that pretty well to dismantle worker protections in the US.

That's a nice 19th century understanding of class interests you have there.

The reason it's brought up the way that it is is because white people would rather talk about them without their input.

More vapid mind-reading.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2020-07-09, 20:00

"I suspect part of what angers some commentators so much about the Harper's letter is just how involved people of color were. For them, we're only allowed to have one position, and if we diverge from that, we're not truly what we are. For these so-called progressives, they judge us based on immutable identities. We are not individuals, distinguished by what we think and believe. For them, we're supposed to play "our role." We are merely representatives of victimized groups to be both "elevated" and patronized."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN3B_q40RyY
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