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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2019-06-08, 18:49

Super impressed by this guy. I think he might be the Bernie of this election cycle (but hopefully with a better outcome).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9say1jGFFQ
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Johanna » 2019-06-08, 22:27

Yasna wrote:Super impressed by this guy. I think he might be the Bernie of this election cycle (but hopefully with a better outcome).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9say1jGFFQ

From my perspective, as a Swedish person and member of the Pirate Party, he's pretty much spot-on. Automation will end more jobs than can be created, although some things will definitely still require a bit of human touch.

About something else he said: Here in Sweden you can already get some money for acting as caretakers for a family member. Or could anyway, it's become really difficult and there is a huge fight going on about it in parliament, but I expect the American-like line to win.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-06-17, 6:18

Apparently, Sweden has strict censorship laws when it comes to political news that prevent this sort of thing from being discussed, but so far this year, 93 bombs have gone off there. This is apparently not an increase from last year. Even Wikipedia seems to suggest that gang violence is an increasingly deadly problem in Sweden. At least at first glance, the perpetrators of gang violence in Sweden don't seem to be especially different from gangsters in the US; some of the gangs are made up of immigrants, some are made up of white people, some are a mix, and some are international.

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Johanna » 2019-06-17, 13:34

We have censorship laws, now?! Those must be really strict then, since they are apparently so well-enforced that only the alt-right has ever heard of them! :shock:

It's not like we have the oldest unbroken tradition of freedom of the press on the planet, not at all :roll: Yeah, I know, standards were a little different in the 1700's than today, so it wouldn't be called that today probably, but since then, regulations have only gotten looser.

Yeah, there have been some bombs, some of them by right-wing extremists attacking their enemies, like refugee centers and the mainstream political left, mostly by criminals attacking their enemies other criminals. Though, the criminals usually prefer grenades to actual bombs, it's just that there was a particularly spectacular one in the middle of Linköping recently. No one got hurt but quite a high number of apartments now need repairs to their balconies and windows, not to mention they need to be cleared of glass, so it affected more regular people than usual.

And yeah, gang violence is gang violence no matter where you are. The non-white gangs are usually not made up of immigrants though, unless you count the international ones with ties to Eastern Europe (so, white according to American standards), but the children of immigrants who grew up poor.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-06-17, 17:33

Johanna wrote:We have censorship laws, now?! Those must be really strict then, since they are apparently so well-enforced that only the alt-right has ever heard of them! :shock:

My Swedish friend says the news is censored more in Sweden than in the US and that people can get suspended from Facebook for writing things that are considered too right-wing. She also says news regarding the mafia in Malmö is suddenly removed from news outlets after being published in them.
It's not like we have the oldest unbroken tradition of freedom of the press on the planet, not at all :roll: Yeah, I know, standards were a little different in the 1700's than today, so it wouldn't be called that today probably, but since then, regulations have only gotten looser.

Oldest tradition, yes, but I'm not sure "unbroken" is an accurate assessment. Just eight years after freedom of the press was written into the Constitution, King Gustav III published a new press law requiring the king to authorize what got printed, and it seems that there were indeed censorship laws in Sweden in the 1940s.
No one got hurt but quite a high number of apartments now need repairs

What I read is that the bomb took out two whole apartment buildings, 17 people had to be sent to the emergency room with life-threatening injuries, and more people would have been injured if most people didn't happen to be at work at the time.

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Postby Lur » 2019-06-17, 18:14

linguoboy wrote:
france-eesti wrote:hi there,
yes, French-speakingin French I know but I found it quite easy to read:
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... 55770.html

I'm very happy with the Spanish results. Vox was held to only three seats and the ruling Socialists came out clearly in front.

You're happy! Here we are all pissed as usual!

I have like five large generalists parties to vote that would get representation, of which only one block is left-wing, and markedly anti-trans for some in-party reason and a with an anti-nuclear tradition. And I have to vote that. So I'm pissed forever.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2019-06-17, 22:57

It’s Time for Sweden to Admit Explosions Are a National Emergency

"Sweden has experienced a sharp rise in explosions in recent years, predominantly related to conflicts between warring criminal gangs. The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police. In response, the government issued a first-ever ”amnesty for explosives” in the fall of 2018, allowing people in possession of such weapons to hand them over to police with immunity. But this didn’t stem the tide: some 50 explosions were reported in the first three months of 2019 alone—an average of more than one every other day and an increase over the same period in 2018, a year that saw a record number of more than three blasts per week."

"The rise in gang violence and other types of crime—including sexual offenses and a wave of robberies against children—has had far-reaching implications for Swedish society. In a country which boasts ”the world’s first feminist government,” a third of young women now report feeling unsafe going out at night. A recent survey in the country’s three largest cities showed that safety is now the main priority for Swedes who are looking to buy homes. Crime emerged as a top priority among voters ahead of the election to the European Parliament in May."

"According to the prevailing ideology of the Swedish political establishment, this wave of violence, which is baffling to many European neighbours, should not be happening. A longstanding cornerstone of the country’s political conversation dictates that crime must be understood in socio-economic terms, and that welfare provisions are a cure-all against violence and social unrest. Yet Sweden is one of Europe’s most generous welfare states."

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-06-17, 23:09

It's alarming, isn't it?

My understanding is that many Swedes think it's a good thing that the number of explosions per year has not increased and so that's something to be happy about. I mean, yeah, it's good that it hasn't increased, but I don't see what's good about nearly a hundred explosions (bombs?) in half a year.

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Aurinĭa » 2019-06-18, 6:06

I don't have much time and I'm not going to reply to the rest, but this stood out to me.

Yasna wrote:a third of young women now report feeling unsafe going out at night.

You think that is more than in the US? Or in so many other countries?

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-06-18, 7:19

I have a feeling this has been discussed on this forum before, but apparently, the legal definition of rape in Sweden was broadened considerably about a decade ago, resulting in the number of reported rapes rising drastically.

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby linguoboy » 2019-06-18, 14:25

Aurinĭa wrote:
Yasna wrote:a third of young women now report feeling unsafe going out at night.

You think that is more than in the US? Or in so many other countries?

I found this Gallup poll from 2012: https://news.gallup.com/poll/155402/women-feel-less-safe-men-developed-countries.aspx

Sweden comes in slightly behind Germany and the Netherlands and slightly ahead of the US and the UK. Interestingly, though, it isn't even in the top 30 worldwide. #1 in the list of countries where women feel safe walking home alone at night is Georgia (90%), followed by Rwanda (89%) and Singapore (88%).
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Johanna » 2019-06-19, 1:28

vijayjohn wrote:
Johanna wrote:We have censorship laws, now?! Those must be really strict then, since they are apparently so well-enforced that only the alt-right has ever heard of them! :shock:

My Swedish friend says the news is censored more in Sweden than in the US and that people can get suspended from Facebook for writing things that are considered too right-wing. She also says news regarding the mafia in Malmö is suddenly removed from news outlets after being published in them.

Your Swedish friend is the kind of person that takes Breitbart as gospel then. Or Avpixlat, Fria tider etc.

The kind of person that thinks that just because the New York Times or Dagens nyheter won't publish something they submitted, they are being censored.

About Facebook, it's an American site.

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Johanna wrote:It's not like we have the oldest unbroken tradition of freedom of the press on the planet, not at all :roll: Yeah, I know, standards were a little different in the 1700's than today, so it wouldn't be called that today probably, but since then, regulations have only gotten looser.

Oldest tradition, yes, but I'm not sure "unbroken" is an accurate assessment. Just eight years after freedom of the press was written into the Constitution, King Gustav III published a new press law requiring the king to authorize what got printed, and it seems that there were indeed censorship laws in Sweden in the 1940s

As far as laws go, yes. As far as tradition goes, we got a taste and never really let go.

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Johanna wrote:No one got hurt but quite a high number of apartments now need repairs

What I read is that the bomb took out two whole apartment buildings, 17 people had to be sent to the emergency room with life-threatening injuries, and more people would have been injured if most people didn't happen to be at work at the time.

My mistake, I read "no causalities", and yeah... Still, no dead so far from the largest explosion yet. Reputable Swedish sources say "25 with cuts and bruises, and the odd broken bone, 2 still in the hospital". It's a little iffy, since most local papers love their paywalls, but the evening press loves their headlines, so if someone dies, it will be announced at once.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby md0 » 2019-06-19, 5:13

I think it won't be long before have some developments towards a two-state (dis)solution in Cyprus :?
It seems like the RoC president is conspiring with a powerful TRNC minister to prepare the ground.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/06/18/anas ... -the-dark/
Anastasiades-Ozersay meeting comes to light, Akinci in the dark (update 2)
A meeting between President Nicos Anastasiades and Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Kudret Ozersay without leader Mustafa Akinci knowing about it has caused a rift between the two Turkish Cypriot politicians, reports said on Tuesday.

[Context: Greek Cypriot negotiator (and RoC president) Anastasiades' equal is Turkish Cypriot negotiator (and TRNC president) Akıncı. Özersay is just a minister, but he is considered a TRNC president-in-waiting though. Akıncı is committed to the UN-approved one-state federalisation solution we have all accepted since 1977. Özersay is not committed to it. Anastasiadis bypassing Akıncı to talk with a minister is a serious breach of protocol - Anastasiadis preferring to have secret discussions with the guy who supports a two-state solution is even more suspicious]


https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2019/ ... settlement
Northern Cyprus opens 'ghost town' Varosha for settlement
[...]The city is protected by a 1984 U.N. Security Council resolution, stating that the the empty town can only be resettled by its original inhabitants.[...]

[Context: Varosha was never settled by TRNC after being captured by the Turkish Army because it received protected status from the UN. It was always a given that it will return under Greek Cypriot administration in the event of reunification, and it's the only territory that, as far as the UN is concerned, should be immediately returned to Greek Cypriots even if there's no comprehensive solution. The prospect of Varosha opening for settlement under TRNC administration signals departure from the UN-approved framework]
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Johanna » 2019-06-19, 13:06

vijayjohn wrote:I have a feeling this has been discussed on this forum before, but apparently, the legal definition of rape in Sweden was broadened considerably about a decade ago, resulting in the number of reported rapes rising drastically.

Yep, and it increased even more this year, since we now require consent. In other words, if you buy "services" from someone forcibly trafficked, you may not get away with simply "buying sex" anymore, but have to stand trial for "rape" unless the person gave clear signals that they wanted it.
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