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Luís wrote:So, the first measure taken by an independent Catalonia was to suspend its own independence...
Levike wrote:And I'm guessing because of the fear of Madrid applying desperate last-minute measures.
Ex: Revoking their autonomous status and taking control of Catalonia.
Levike wrote:Ex: Revoking their autonomous status and taking control of Catalonia.
Saim wrote:Perhaps this was just a move to prove to the international community how uninterested Spain is in negotiating.
The CUP doesn't seem to agree with Puigdemont which kind of worries me...
(again? haven't we been doing this since 2012?)
Yasna wrote:Saim wrote:Estatut 2006, LOMCE, pobresa energètica, bullfighting. Why won't you address any of the attacks Catalan autonomy has been under from the Spanish media and "constitutional" court?
You know this conflict didn't start on Sunday, right?
Because I don't care about most of what is said in the Spanish media. It's mostly just sideshows and theatrics anyway. And fundamentally I don't have much sympathy for Catalan self-determination because I think international law on the matter is quite reasonable and Catalonia simply doesn't qualify. As the Economist wrote, "Catalonia, however, hardly counts as colonised, occupied or oppressed. Many Spaniards worry that its secession could swiftly be followed by that of the Basque country. If the rule of law is to mean anything, the constitution should be upheld."Where did you get this information from, the gods? The Economist?
"The Catalan government’s own pollster finds that while 70% want a referendum on the territory’s future, only 48% do if Spanish government doesn’t agree—which it emphatically does not."
https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/09/economist-explains-17
JackFrost wrote:They just don't like waiting a bit more, which is understandable because I'm impressed how long Catalonia is taking to go there. Because they've been slacking around for a few years.
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Maybe a bit longer.
Saim wrote:all those years carregant-nos de raons (making sure to have a solid case) were a total waste.
vijayjohn wrote:Saim wrote:all those years carregant-nos de raons (making sure to have a solid case) were a total waste.
That sounds like something I have done so many times in my life.
Saim wrote: instead asking Puigdemont to explain clearly whether he's declared independence or not
Luís wrote:I'm curious to see what his answer will be, but I suppose it'll probably be something ambiguous.
We can call it Schrödinger's independence...
Saim wrote:vijayjohn wrote:Saim wrote:all those years carregant-nos de raons (making sure to have a solid case) were a total waste.
That sounds like something I have done so many times in my life.
Maybe you're secretly Catalan?
Saim wrote:the use of the courts to strike down Catalan laws and unilaterally change the Catalan education system,
widespread Catalanophobia in Spain,
the fact that one to two million people have been protesting on a yearly basis,
the Francoist legacy of the current Spanish legal framework, police brutality),
The reason I mentioned Spanish and Catalan media is not because I think they're fundamentally better than that of other countries, it's because I've noticed that they report on a whole lot that no-one has heard of outside of Spain or even Catalonia. It would be good if you were to consider the conflict in its entirety and not base everything you're saying on the Economist's opinion of what happened on the 1st of October, as if that was the first time anything happened in Catalonia and everything was normal from 1978 to 2016.
Saim wrote:I just don't trust PDeCat.
Yasna wrote:So what? Protests don't grant a movement rights.
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