Патрислав Андреевич wrote:In the beginning I need to say I'll ignore any allegations of racism and/or xenohobia, since - as Ludwig said - it prevents any meaningful discussion.
It's racism and xenophobia themselves that prevent any meaningful discussion, not accusations thereof.
Anarchy and uncontrolled flood of people who don't even want to register, and have demands from a host country they broke into, is your idea of the 21st century?
Nope. But trying to reverse xenophobic policies is.
I feel like 'racism' and 'xenophobia' (as well as other 'phobias') don't mean anything anymore and are used as an umbrella term just to discredit the person/policies/whatever you disagree with. It brings absolutely nothing to the discussion. (Just to make it clear, I meant 'you' generally, not personally.)
Only you brought up making a mess, and what is so concerning about "their religion and values" given that their religion is also practiced by the majority of Bosnians and Albanians and their values are hardly more different from yours than Western European values are?
One was brought by me and the other wasn't. I didn't say anything about "their religion and values" before. It was to show that nobody really cares where they come from.
I partially disagree; given the history of the group of people whose language I wrote my thesis on, I think of borders as being somewhat overrated. But even if you're completely right, laws are not static. Like loqu said, if you live in a democracy, you do have a say in determining the nature of said laws. So why keep them the way they are?
Well, I think those are good laws actually. If anything, border control should be stricter, in my opinion. I want to be able to decide who enters my house.
Apparently in Germany they are, relatively speaking.
Let's relocate the whole of Europe to Germany since it's Heaven and everywhere else is dangerous.
"who hasn't registered"
To me, that makes no difference. Deporting people to war zones is cruel and unusual punishment, end of story.
But we can't give in to their demands! Europe must appear strong if we don't want everyone to do whatever they want. Otherwise it's like giving a child sweets everytime it asks, and with time the demands are bigger and bigger. Give a finger, they'll take the entire arm.
I'm not so sure, and I think it may require a lot more careful consideration than that. But I don't think it's at all fair to come to a decision without taking into consideration the positions of all parties directly involved in the issue; in other words, the concerns of the immigrants/refugees/asylum-seekers/whatever themselves also matter, not solely those of Europeans.
Fortunately it's the local people who still rule in their homes. Anyway, the only we hear from immigrants is "we want to Germany". We know their position. I think that most of those people would be content with the countries fleed to, but because so many succeeded in their journey - now everybody wants it.
I don't agree with whole countries taking them and putting in German concentration camps.
The plan is to keep those people in camps or ghettos. Forcefully, so that they can't go back to Germany. They'd be forced upon us by the (anti-)European Union*, people themselves would be prisoners, paid by country's benefits, but with little chance for success. And why would we agree on something like that?
The proposal I support is that willing
, and legal, refugees would be "distributed" to willing
parishes, and to local fundations and organisations that want to help. We have 10 thousand parishes, and let's say each would accept one family of 5, that gives 50 thousand refugees that nobody would notice - there are many more immigrants, or even tourists, in Poland each year. Those families would get initial help, but then they'd be expected to work on the same rules as local population. Of course, first we need to find people who'd accept that...
* Yes, Martin Schulz
, the president of the Europarliament, said in yesterday's interview that force
could be used if a country doesn't comply. Worth mentioning is that Polish (on German orders) parliament has accepted a bill that allows EU police and troops to operate on Polish territory legally, even against Polish citizens!
Also, the Visegrád group (which Poland is a part of) rejected the EU quotas on immigrants (it's a ridiculous idea), but of course Polish government - being Germany's little bitch - stated that it's not true, and there are still negotiations.
Fortunately, in next month we'll have a new government... oh wait, they're the ones who suck America's dick. Damn.
Anyway, when I said I was willing to agree to disagree, I didn't just mean with Levike; I meant with everyone. Each of us is firmly convinced of our own views, and I didn't even mean to start an argument in the first place, just express my opinion and be done with it, even though that's exactly what ended up happening. So I'd like to ask you, are you willing to agree to disagree as well?
Sure. It's a very complex issue and we can't even agree on the most basic (in my opinion) issues, so yeah.