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Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-02, 6:40
by md0
They are not supposed to find jobs there.

Not to shock you again, but asylum seekers try to find jobs when they arrive in Europe even if it's "illegal".
Some of us try to arrange jobs for them, even if it's "illegal".

Even though are usually middle class city dwellers back in their countries (those are the people who can flee, poor people always stay behind because they are poor), they often run out of money before they reach an entry country like Greece because the smugglers operate a black market and ask extortionate amount of money. (THIS IS WHY BORDERS SHOULD BE OPEN)
And when they reach Greece, and before they can make it to Germany and whatnot, the local businessmen exploit them by charging them "3 euro for a 25cl carton of juice, 5 euro per hour of mobile charging, 30 euro for a blanket" etc (Those are documented in Greek newspapers by investigations in Lesvos and Kos islands that recently hosted a lot of refugees).
That's a +400% markup on prices.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-02, 6:55
by Varislintu
meidei wrote:by charging them "3 euro for a 25cl carton of juice, 5 euro per hour of mobile charging, 30 euro for a blanket" etc (Those are documented in Greek newspapers by investigations in Lesvos and Kos islands that recently hosted a lot of refugees).
That's a +400% markup on prices.


Hehhehheh, until they reach Finland, where these are the legit local prices. :wicked: :cry:

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EDIT: Still, I don't know, I think I'd actually be fine with being situated in a place like the remote Swedish centre, but I can't completely divorce myself from having that perspective because I grew up in a quiet Nordic suburb myself. Because they did choose to come to the Nordics, instead of more southward. This place is foresty and dark and cold an not very populated. If they were then accepted as official refugees in Finland, for example, they would be evenly distributed between the municipalities so that no municipality's budget takes the whole hit. They might be assigned to Tornio at that point, which would probably seem like a nightmare to them. But that's what we have.

What's news to me is that Sweden doesn't provide food in these centres. :shock: Here in Finland some asylum seekers staged a demonstration because they couldn't accept the food served to them -- claiming they wouldn't give that food to dogs even. Thing is, it's normal mass-kitchen food that Finns eat in hospitals, elderly homes and schools. :( I mean literally provided by the same companies.

I think a lot of this comes from 1) these guys just being so tired, and inexperienced with other cultures, and having very rosy misconceptions about Europe.

Possibly 2) having a certain level of middle class privilege, if they were middle class in their home country, and lived that lifestyle there.

3) Having a suspicion that their honor is deliberately being defiled by others. I can't blame them for being suspicious -- they face a lot of racism and xenophobia along the way to here (and here as well of course).

What would be important for locals to remember is that these things don't invalidate their status as human beings. They are very much like us -- just because they don't behave in a stereotypical meek beggar kind of way doesn't mean we should reject them. Rather we should realise that we'd probably behave the same way if our privileged asses got demoted to refugee level by a conflict, and we'd have to seek a better life elsewhere, going through all the indignities that that entails.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-02, 7:57
by Johanna
Varislintu wrote:Still, I don't know, I think I'd actually be fine with being situated in a place like the remote Swedish centre, but I can't completely divorce myself from having that perspective because I grew up in a quiet Nordic suburb myself. Because they did choose to come to the Nordics, instead of more southward. This place is foresty and dark and cold an not very populated. If they were then accepted as official refugees in Finland, for example, they would be evenly distributed between the municipalities so that no municipality's budget takes the whole hit. They might be assigned to Tornio at that point, which would probably seem like a nightmare to them. But that's what we have.

It's very different if you've got a car or at the least the money for a bus ticket, but these places are usually situated not even in the suburbs or some small town, but on the actual countryside, too far from the nearest town to walk, at least if you don't want to do it along a road that no one who's not in a car or on a motorcycle has any business being on.

It's nobody's fault really, there aren't many more or less empty buildings of the right size in better locations than that, and when the refugees have been given adequate information about the situation and where they are going to stay, it works just fine.

Varislintu wrote:What's news to me is that Sweden doesn't provide food in these centres. :shock: Here in Finland some asylum seekers staged a demonstration because they couldn't accept the food served to them -- claiming they wouldn't give that food to dogs even. Thing is, it's normal mass-kitchen food that Finns eat in hospitals, elderly homes and schools. :( I mean literally provided by the same companies.

In many places they do, but then they have to pay for it like I said. I'm not sure whether it's by getting less money or actually paying for it though. But then there are places where they don't get any food since there's no kitchen large enough to handle that amount, but then they have to be able to cook for themselves I think.

Asylum seekers can also opt for staying with family or friends instead of at one of those centres.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-02, 17:09
by linguoboy
Johanna wrote:The information they have gotten is often really bad, so when the bus stops at a place that looks to be located in the middle of nowhere, in a deep dark forest, of course it's a very uncomfortable situation for hem.

If I'd recently fled a country where civilians were being slaughtered en masse, I know just what would be going through my head in a situation like that.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-09, 18:58
by md0
Lookie here, the Sweden Racists Party immigrated to Greece where they try to poison local communities with their wicked beliefs.

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http://www.provo.gr/sdlesvos/

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-09, 19:37
by Levike
I read I think a week ago that there was a building that was prepared to host refugees in Sweden, but it was burnt down by some still unidentified people.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-10, 1:30
by Johanna
meidei wrote:Lookie here, the Sweden Racists Party immigrated to Greece where they try to poison local communities with their wicked beliefs.

http://www.topontiki.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/souidoi.jpg?itok=BvloenVe

http://www.provo.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sd1.jpg

http://www.provo.gr/sdlesvos/

Yep, huge scandal here and at first they even tried to deny it. And most of it are lies, the only thing that rings even remotely true is that thing about the number of reported rapes (which as everyone here knows has very little to do with the actual number of rapes), that polygamy is forbidden and that so are forced marriages.

And despite this gang violence that creates headlines, there are less murders now than in the 70's, and even though I think shootings may make up a larger percentage of them now rather than back then, the actual numbers have still dropped, it's just that other types of murder have gone down even more.

Levike wrote:I read I think a week ago that there was a building that was prepared to host refugees in Sweden, but it was burnt down by some still unidentified people.

I commented on that before, there have been a few such fires yes.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-11, 14:54
by TeneReef
meidei wrote:Lookie here, the Sweden Racists Party immigrated to Greece where they try to poison local communities with their wicked beliefs.

http://www.topontiki.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/souidoi.jpg?itok=BvloenVe

http://www.provo.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sd1.jpg

http://www.provo.gr/sdlesvos/

Why are they in Lesbos?

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-11, 18:52
by vijayjohn
Because that's where a lot of the immigrants first land after crossing the Aegean Sea?

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-15, 1:47
by Levike
Poland decided to reject EU-imposed quotas on immigrants.

It has joined the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-15, 14:47
by Патрислав Андреевич
Levike wrote:Poland decided to reject EU-imposed quotas on immigrants.

It has joined the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania.

Finally some good news.

However, I wouldn't take the PiS government's words for granted. Earlier they were saying they would respect the deals made by the previous one. Now some ministers speak up against being a vassal of Germany and against taking in the "refugees," but I'm afraid they'll get a call from their superiors and return to them on kneels, asking for forgiveness. :roll:

Only time will show if we have a really Polish government now.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-22, 21:35
by Levike
Slovak and Czech (I think also Polish) forces came to the Hungarian border to help on its defense.
I like how these are the only circumstances in which we can come together and cooperate.

And Hungary is offering Macedonia enough material to build a 25 km long wired fence on its border. I´m curious if they´ll accept.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-11-27, 16:17
by הענט
At this rate, I'll probably emigrate myself. There's this job opportunity where I can work on some cruise ship in the Carribean and get a 10 year visa to the US of A. Then I'll probably apply for a green card and leave Europe for good. I feel the EU is very idle and indecisive in general. I can't think of anything good it has brought us. :?

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-02, 20:51
by Levike
Slovakia's president Robert Fico suggested that Greece should leave the Schengen zone, due to its incapability to protect its borders.

Yannis Mouzalas, a Greek minister said "There isn't any official request, but we're being pressured."

What do you guys think? Should Greece stay in within the Schengen area or not?

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-03, 9:18
by Saim
I think Syria should join the Schengen Zone.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-03, 11:38
by Levike
Saim wrote:I think Syria should join the Schengen Zone.

Your point being?

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-03, 15:50
by הענט
Greece should leave the Schengen area, because none of its neighbors are within. Duh.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-03, 16:13
by md0
Planes exist.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-06, 16:43
by Saim
Levike wrote:
Saim wrote:I think Syria should join the Schengen Zone.

Your point being?


No point, I just don't think borders should exist.

Re: European refugee crisis [split]

Posted: 2015-12-08, 20:39
by Saim