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Synalepha wrote:(and honestly, I might be wrong, I'm not well-versed in the history of the LGBT+ movement)[/size], "queer" is the result of a well-succeded attempt to hijack and give a positive twist to a word that was used disparagingly towards LGBT+ people in English-speaking countries.
md0 wrote:There's also a stage 2 to this process of main-streaming 'queer' and the general framework it's supposed to represent. I was visiting a queer friend in Berlin last month, and one of the things they brought up is how, in Berlin, the definition of 'queer' expanded so much that most cis straight people qualify as queer by saying as little as "we share household chores equally", or "I enjoy being fingered by my girlfriend".
linguoboy wrote:md0 wrote:There's also a stage 2 to this process of main-streaming 'queer' and the general framework it's supposed to represent. I was visiting a queer friend in Berlin last month, and one of the things they brought up is how, in Berlin, the definition of 'queer' expanded so much that most cis straight people qualify as queer by saying as little as "we share household chores equally", or "I enjoy being fingered by my girlfriend".
I try not to gatekeep too much, but it is really odd to me how much a lot of straight cis people want to be lumped together with us now. I mean, I think it's really great that your leather sub pegs you with a strapon while you wear the fursuit your fartsniffing wife bought you, but you're still a straight cis man and your issues are not our issues.
Aurinĭa wrote:How do you define "completely gender conforming"?
How do you know whether someone "perfectly functions within the current gender binary" or only seems to, but doesn't actually feel comfortable with it?
Have you talked about this to people who identify as non-binary? Read about their thoughts, feelings, experiences?
Synalepha wrote:Aurinĭa wrote:How do you define "completely gender conforming"?
They're indistinguishable from any other man / woman by the standards of the culture they live in.
How do you know whether someone "perfectly functions within the current gender binary" or only seems to, but doesn't actually feel comfortable with it?
If you're not an emotionless robot, you can usually sense it when people are experiencing discomfort.
Have you talked about this to people who identify as non-binary? Read about their thoughts, feelings, experiences?
Can't people lie? I was decently good at pretending I was straight back when I was 17. I tend to think behavior is more important than what people tell you about themselves.
Synalepha wrote:If you're not an emotionless robot, you can usually sense it when people are experiencing discomfort.
Have you talked about this to people who identify as non-binary? Read about their thoughts, feelings, experiences?
Can't people lie? I was decently good at pretending I was straight back when I was 17. I tend to think behavior is more important than what people tell you about themselves.
Synalepha wrote:linguoboy wrote:md0 wrote:There's also a stage 2 to this process of main-streaming 'queer' and the general framework it's supposed to represent. I was visiting a queer friend in Berlin last month, and one of the things they brought up is how, in Berlin, the definition of 'queer' expanded so much that most cis straight people qualify as queer by saying as little as "we share household chores equally", or "I enjoy being fingered by my girlfriend".
I try not to gatekeep too much, but it is really odd to me how much a lot of straight cis people want to be lumped together with us now. I mean, I think it's really great that your leather sub pegs you with a strapon while you wear the fursuit your fartsniffing wife bought you, but you're still a straight cis man and your issues are not our issues.
I know this is very controversial (at least in some internet circles) but personally, I really struggle to understand people who identify as non-binary but are completely gender conforming. I understand that gender identity and expression are two different things, but what kind of non-binary experience are you living or would like to live if you seem to perfectly function within the current gender binary?
linguoboy wrote:md0 wrote:There's also a stage 2 to this process of main-streaming 'queer' and the general framework it's supposed to represent. I was visiting a queer friend in Berlin last month, and one of the things they brought up is how, in Berlin, the definition of 'queer' expanded so much that most cis straight people qualify as queer by saying as little as "we share household chores equally", or "I enjoy being fingered by my girlfriend".
I try not to gatekeep too much, but it is really odd to me how much a lot of straight cis people want to be lumped together with us now. I mean, I think it's really great that your leather sub pegs you with a strapon while you wear the fursuit your fartsniffing wife bought you, but you're still a straight cis man and your issues are not our issues.
linguoboy wrote:I try not to gatekeep too much, but it is really odd to me how much a lot of straight cis people want to be lumped together with us now.
Gormur wrote:Being gender-neutral, isn't that LGBT?
Gormur wrote:You can't be a female unless you have mammary glands.
Gormur wrote:You can't be male unless you have testes
Gormur wrote:you can't be a transvestite unless you have T&A.
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