linguoboy wrote:I'm saying we can't always keep innocent people from dying and we definitely have very strong priorities when it comes to which people we let die and how many. More people die in this country from lack of medical insurance than from terrorism of any stripe (Islamist or not), yet we won't adopt universal health care because that would be "socialist". Most recommended gun-control measures fall far short of the kind of measures you're proposing, yet two years after 20 children died at Sandy Hook Elementary, we haven't adopted a single one of them.
You're preaching to the choir. I can't tell you how astonished and disappointed I was that Sandy Hook didn't become a turning point in the gun control debate. But just because saving innocent lives from gun violence has turned out to be politically unfeasible, doesn't mean we shouldn't take action in a domain like Islamic terrorism where political will is emerging.
What you're recommending is another tradeoff between liberty and security. I'm not categorically opposed to those--I accept traffic laws, for instance (and would be in favour of much stricter ones). But before I surrender my freedoms I want to know it's--to borrow some legal jargon--the least intrusive means of satisfying a societal imperative. Saving innocent lives is a very laudable goal. It should be a top priority for any society. But is targeting Islamists and increasing surveillance of the population as a whole really the "least intrusive" way of achieving it?
There are of course all the other measures like promoting assimilation that must be taken, but that doesn't seem like nearly enough at this point in the game.