How are the disabled treated in your country?

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How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Sol Invictus » 2014-10-23, 21:06

I haven't had any direct expierience with how severly disabled people are treated, but people in my country think that there's this crapy Soviet heritage that we make them hide away. I recently noticed some talk in the news about how special education should be done - apparently there was a case where a school in small town was required by court to educate a boy, who is both phisicaly and mentaly disabled (they had refused because they didn't have special education teacher) and this caused one or two experts come out and say that there's this stereotype that in other countries society is more inclusive, but we misunderstand and try to come up with unrealistic standard and that actualy other countries also exclude such people (in case of kids they brought up that in Italy special education kids go to same school only in theory - they say they actualy go to school that has the same name, but in practice is completly isolated from "normal" kids).

So let's have reality check - how much are disabled people included/excluded in your countries? How severe are disabilities of people who are excluded/included in schools and other activities of healthy people?

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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Hoogstwaarschijnlijk » 2014-10-24, 18:24

There's a difference between hiding people and excluding them for 'normal' education, right?

In the Netherlands, we have/ used to have special eduation for for example deaf children, children with autism and so forth, but the government thinks this is too expensive and now they want to force as most children as able to go to 'normal' education. 'Passend onderwijs' - 'fitting education'. A lot of people are against this because it means that the teachers will be very busy with things they aren't specialised at, children won't get the help they really need anymore and the children who go to regular education will get less attention.
But hiding away, no.

For Belgium, there was a very interesting documentary series about special eduation recently. 'Buitengewoon' it was called.
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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Sol Invictus » 2014-10-24, 19:55

Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:There's a difference between hiding people and excluding them for 'normal' education, right?

Not if they are not included out of prejudice, rather than because they'd get better outcome, if they're excluded. I hope I explained what I'm wondering about clearly? Took time for somebody to answer

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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Zireael » 2014-11-11, 18:47

In Poland, there are both integrated schooling and special schooling opportunities.
The former is preferred for most physical disabilities and slight mental ones, the latter for severe mental disabilities. The hearing-impaired can go either way, depending on their language skills and development at school-going age.

There is a widespread belief that the level of education in special schools is much lower, therefore more ambitious parents and those who care about their children's future success will usually push for the integrated schooling - which is not always the best, I've heard several stories where children could not cope with the curriculum and/or were bullied by classmates.

EDIT: I know nothing about the blind, sorry, and the rest is both from personal experience and from some research I did on the topic. Hearing-impaired and Cerebral Palsy, personally I was taught in an integrated setting.
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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Ckexno » 2015-04-07, 2:13

Back in Slovakia, they kept the ones with the major disabled parts (ie;wheelchair, Brain damage) in a separate special school. Autism was dealt with poorly in some cases, but it varied and depended on the person that was dealing with them. It was varied.

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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby TeneReef » 2015-04-07, 11:10

In Croatia, there's a law according to which employers (firms, institutions) need to employ a certain percentage of disabled people... otherwise they will be financially penalized. They indeed choose to pay for it instead of giving jobs to the disabled. :x
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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby md0 » 2015-04-09, 7:24

Something that got a bit of mainstream attention lately (because usually we never hear about those things), is that the new "Guaranteed Minimum Income" welfare scheme that comes to replace all randomly managed welfare allowances in Cyprus requires that adult disabled people (even over the age of 28*) submit a consent form signed by their parents or guardians along with their GMI application.

* With the new law, in Cyprus you are considered a dependant child until the age of 28... unless you are married. So much for promoting youth autonomy and mobility.
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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Yserenhart » 2015-04-09, 8:05

meidei wrote:Something that got a bit of mainstream attention lately (because usually we never hear about those things), is that the new "Guaranteed Minimum Income" welfare scheme that comes to replace all randomly managed welfare allowances in Cyprus requires that adult disabled people (even over the age of 28*) submit a consent form signed by their parents or guardians along with their GMI application.

* With the new law, in Cyprus you are considered a dependant child until the age of 28... unless you are married. So much for promoting youth autonomy and mobility.

Does that count for any disability? There might be an argument for it for people with significant retardation of mental development, where the person is able to have some independence, but needs some care and help with decisions; but if it also applies to people who are perfectly healthy and intelligent, except for something like needing a wheelchair, or having something essentially invisible (like being incontinent), then that is incredibly stupid and discriminatory, and I can't imagine it would survive if challenged in the ECHR, even if it could survive challenge in Cyprus courts.
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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby md0 » 2015-04-09, 15:08

I am specifically speaking about physical disabilities, like mobility or vision.

Mental disabilities are an even darker chapter of Cypriot law. One of the aspects that I recently learnt was that adult people which are legally regarded as 'retarded' by the law, can never consent to sex, ie they are not allowed to have sex, ever.
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Re: How are the disabled treated in your country?

Postby Aurinĭa » 2015-06-08, 22:17

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Further discussion should be had in the discrimination thread.


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