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I agree that "Jew" isn't, and shouldn't be, pejorative, but nonetheless a significant number of people (almost all of them non-Jews) do think it's pejorative and use "Jewish person" instead.mōdgethanc wrote:Well, we don't say "kike" anymore and "Jew" hasn't become pejorative instead, because there have been societal changes since then which have made antisemitism unacceptable nowadays.
I've seen that too (it seems to be an American thing) but I've never heard a Jewish person object to it. It could be offensive in some contexts ("a Jew lawyer") but I don't see any difference between "two Jews just came in here" and "two Germans". I would still say "he's Jewish" rather than "he's a Jew" for the same reason I'd say "he's German": it sounds better.Lazar Taxon wrote:I agree that "Jew" isn't, and shouldn't be, pejorative, but nonetheless a significant number of people (almost all of them non-Jews) do think it's pejorative and use "Jewish person" instead.
Weerwolf wrote:Firstly, the majority of Hungarian gypsies (beás (băiaš) cigányok) wouldn’t like to be called ’roma’, because they find it derogatory.
Sol Invictus wrote:Weerwolf wrote:Firstly, the majority of Hungarian gypsies (beás (băiaš) cigányok) wouldn’t like to be called ’roma’, because they find it derogatory.
How come - are gipsies in Hungary members of another group or is there another reason? Here we are told that it is the name of one of major groups of gipsies and gipsies in Latvia also are members of it. Also čigāni isn't a derogatory term and they themselves also seem to use it, so only overly politicaly correct people would insist on using roma, for others it's a new synonim.
vijayjohn wrote:[...] I'd never have guessed that they made up the majority of ethnic Romani people in Hungary[...]
Weerwolf wrote:I actually got that wrong in the sense of their number, the majority in Hungary is the so-called romungró or muzsikus cigányok (musical gypsies) but their mother tongue is mostly Hungarian. The Boyash tend to speak their own tongue, that's the case where we can speak about that they are in the majority. The Boyash are about 20 % of the Hungarian gypsy population.
Sol Invictus wrote:That's strange, I thought problems minorities face are due to different culture.
xivrox wrote:Don't know what Gypsies themselves think about it here.
A quite common derogatory term for Gypsies is the word Rumun (a Romanian). It's a result of mixing up Romanians and Romas, common here.
I can't see myself using that in Polish, it's just strange and overly PC, trying to fix something that ain't broken.
vijayjohn wrote:Sol Invictus wrote:That's strange, I thought problems minorities face are due to different culture.
Not always. The struggle to deal with both cultures at the same time is often a problem faced by minorities (and I can vouch for that myself lol), but racism isn't always motivated by cultural differences. Jews in certain parts of Europe were not so culturally different from the majority non-Jewish population before World War II, but they were still victims of racism. Black people here are not so culturally different from white people here, but they're victims of racism, too.
Sol Invictus wrote:Maybe culture wasn't best word to describe what I mean, it seems to be mostly about lifestyle diffrences and political/religous views etc.
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