loqu wrote:xivrox wrote:I’d choose them over the ones calling for more “European integration” at all times. I don’t care what they want to do in their respective countries, it’s not my problem. I care about what they want to do with EU, and since we’re forced to be part of it, I support them in their anti-unionism.loqu wrote:Hey, well done for celebrating xenophobia. Those nice people in those parties make this world a better place to live... if you're NOT a migrant.
I feel there's a non-sequitur somewhere. You're wrong in something: you are not forced to be part of the EU and if you Poles want to pull out, you may want to vote for a political party that has that in their program for your own parliamentary elections. Celebrating the rise of fascist anti-unionist parties in other countries is celebrating their policies.
1. We need the anti-unionist voice to be heard, and how to do it better than from inside of it? (It’s not like you can do much more in the europarliament anyway.)
2. Am I celebrating their win in their national elections, or the europarliament one? Which one of the “oh so fascist and xenophobic” policies they support can be introduced at the europarliament level? Exactly. I don’t care what are their views in these issues because they cannot make use of them there anyway. What I care about is that they can weaken the Union from inside which will make it possible to withdraw from it, or at least undo the integration movement and reform it.
I don’t care what they want to do in their respective countries, it’s not my problem.
ever heard of what sympathy is?
I did, but I don’t know what does sympathy have to do with that. I’m glad they entered europarliament because I happen to live in the EU and it may have influence on me. I don’t care what voters choose on national level in their countries, because it will not influence me and it’s their will.
xivrox wrote:That’s sad. Spain has yet to wake up, the rest of Europe slowly is.I can celebrate that the Spanish equivalent to those xenophobic bigots haven't managed to get a single seat in the European Parliament - we had 54 to assign and they got none of them.
Spain in lots of topics acts as if we lived isolated from Europe -the Pyrenees are a big psychological barrier- and this is one of those topics. I'm glad our own bigots still live in their own folkloric bigotry and haven't copied these outright xenophobic fads so popular in Europe right now.
Yeah, yeah, we know it already. Everyone who’s not a “Good European™” is a fascist xenophobic whatever-else-phobic bigot or a nazi.... or a “reactionist extremist enemy of the working class bla bla” (noticed the similarity?).