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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-08-05, 20:51

linguoboy wrote:Unlike hard drugs, which are apparently a go. But only if you're in municipal administration.
Don't blame me, I voted for the gay guy.

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby linguoboy » 2013-08-05, 21:05

mōdgethanc wrote:Don't blame me, I voted for the gay guy.

My heart said, "Please let it be the gay guy!" But my penis said, "GIMME THE WIFE-BEATING RACIST DRUNK!" I try not to think too much about what that says about me.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby voron » 2013-08-05, 21:11

mōdgethanc wrote:It must suck being a country with a small population next to a culturally dominant one that speaks the same language. Oh, wait a second ...

Thanks for sympathizing. :P
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-08-05, 22:49

linguoboy wrote:My heart said, "Please let it be the gay guy!" But my penis said, "GIMME THE WIFE-BEATING RACIST DRUNK!" I try not to think too much about what that says about me.

You're really into this whole hate-fuck thing, aren't you? That's okay; I always thought our trading barbs had a certain air of sexual tension.

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby johnklepac » 2013-08-09, 5:23

linguoboy wrote:You missed the point of the link. "А у вас негров линчуют" is not actually about lynching and never was; it's about using tu quoque arguments to deflect criticism and derail discussion. "If you think X is bad, well Y is far worse!" isn't actually a refutation of claims that X is bad. It's just a naked attempt to distract attention from them. Sadly, there's nothing specifically Russian about this sort of illogical thinking; you'll see parallel arguments from Americans, for instance, attempting to justify our own "War on Terror" targeting Muslims.

Hah, I actually thought it was supposed to be a righteous tactic of pointing out hypocrisies when I first heard of it (though I too questioned its relevance).

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Marah » 2013-08-30, 6:30

By the way modgethanc, why was it unlikely according to you that rebels could have gotten chemical weapons?
I'm not an expert on chemical weapons but is it so hard to make sarin gas? Aum Shinrikyo did, back in 1995 in Tokyo.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Car » 2013-08-31, 11:38

Especially when you read reports like this one. I just find it too difficult to tell who did what and who the rebels consist of, I certainly wouldn't be in favour of supporting new Taliban.

As long as it doesn't spread to neighbouring countries, it's best to stay out of civil wars, I think.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Marah » 2013-08-31, 11:47

Yes, I already linked it. http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/
It's surprising (or maybe not) that it didn't make it to mass media. :?
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby md0 » 2013-08-31, 12:17

Well, if it's RT who broke the story, I'd wait for another journalist group to investigate it from scratch first.

Not that there are good and bad guys is this war. Or any war.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Car » 2013-08-31, 13:16

Marah wrote:Yes, I already linked it. http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/
It's surprising (or maybe not) that it didn't make it to mass media. :?


Sorry, I must have overlooked or forgotten that.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2013-08-31, 13:59

How awkward for the US.

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-09-01, 6:08

Marah wrote:By the way modgethanc, why was it unlikely according to you that rebels could have gotten chemical weapons?
I'm not an expert on chemical weapons but is it so hard to make sarin gas? Aum Shinrikyo did, back in 1995 in Tokyo.
Did I say that? It's possible they could obtain sarin gas, but where would they get SCUD missiles or whatever delivery method was used? IIRC we know, or strongly suspect, that Assad had them all along. That makes it more likely it was at least some faction in the Syrian government.
Yes, I already linked it. http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/
It's surprising (or maybe not) that it didn't make it to mass media. :?
Well, that's because it's RT and well, it's RT.

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Marah » 2013-09-01, 11:54

Well, that's because it's RT and well, it's RT.

I didn't know what RT was. At least you get to hear the other side of the story. Propaganda is used by all countries after all.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2013-09-01, 12:15

Why exactly do you guys not trust RT? I don't consider RT much more biased than CNN and BBC.

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby md0 » 2013-09-01, 12:37

All channels are biased so you need to use your brain and multiple sources. But RT goes over the top to make up stuff (all they do is shout - I have watched it). Even China's CCTV9 is not as ridiculous.

And who the hell thinks that CNN is credible? I have watched that too.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Car » 2013-09-01, 13:54

meidei wrote:And who the hell thinks that CNN is credible? I have watched that too.


Most people here. I tried explaining to an online friend that there are many parts of the world where it's not seen as credible, even with examples of fake reports and he went "I can't believe that, I've only heard CNN being referred to as a very credible source".
But I also tried to explain in vain to him after the Dutch and French referendum about the EU Constitution that not everyone wants to have something like the USE, again "I can't believe that, everyone wants that in the end" even though even the German media mentioned that not everyone is in favour of deeper integration (which says a lot, considering how EU-friendly it is and especially was).
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2013-09-01, 14:12

What I meant was that I consider RT to be in the same category of credibility as CNN and BBC.

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Lada » 2013-09-01, 14:23

Car wrote:
meidei wrote:And who the hell thinks that CNN is credible? I have watched that too.


Most people here.

Why? Does CNN have German branch? Aren't there German news channel?

I watched BBC World and CNN only for learning English and for a very short period of time. AFAIK nobody watches this here, we got our own brainwashing machines :) RT is unknown here I think as it is not in Russian, though it's available just like CNN, BBC, Fox news and others. Basically I trust local media especially when they show happy Putin watching dolphins like today - I believe in this :yep:

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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Yasna » 2013-09-01, 14:57

Lada wrote:Why? Does CNN have German branch? Aren't there German news channel?

When I lived in Germany there was an international CNN channel broadcast there in English. It was actually somewhat better than the U.S. domestic CNN channel.
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Re: Best and worst neighbour

Postby Car » 2013-09-01, 15:22

Lada wrote:
Car wrote:
meidei wrote:And who the hell thinks that CNN is credible? I have watched that too.


Most people here.

Why? Does CNN have German branch? Aren't there German news channel?


CNN used to be involved in n-tv, taking over a lot of their coverage, sometimes, other German channels do that, too. With CNN, I meant the international English-language version Yasna mentioned. CNN is seen as a credible source and covers many events more than the German news channels n-tv or N24, which are more like documentary channels nowadays. The public channels do show a lot of news and at least the bigger of the two groups has one of they biggest correspondent networks in the world, but they have no news channels (n-tv and N24 are private channels). CNN simply is seem as a good source for news outside of Germany, being able to cover more. I think they became famous during the first Gulf war. So it's about budget, programming and also tradition, with CNN being available here before n-tv or N4 even started. But most people actually don't watch CNN (or any news channel, at least BBC World News is common available as well).
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