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Just like the warm and friendly relationship between China and Japan, amirite?Sol Invictus wrote:Poland probably is the best neighbour to everyome no longer bordering them (at least I haven't heard anyhting bad about them), wonder what that could mean? Make the world consist of islands with no landborders and eternal peace shall be granted
Sol Invictus wrote:Poland probably is the best neighbour to everyome no longer bordering them (at least I haven't heard anyhting bad about them), wonder what that could mean? Make the world consist of islands with no landborders and eternal peace shall be granted
Lada wrote:and of course islamic terrorists are kind of enemies who want Russian oil and gas, natural water and all the rest what Russian territory has, others want to create islamic state on our southern territories.
mōdgethanc wrote:It's news to me that Islamic extremism in Russia or anywhere else is motivated by a desire to control the oil and natural gas supply.
Saim wrote:If you look at the history of Muslim peoples in the Russian Federation, it's pretty clear that Islamism is just a form of extremism that reacts to the oppression that these ethnic groups have suffered under Russian rule.
That's the problem with Muslim ethnic minority groups - Islamism is an attractive, internationalist ideology that can turn essentially ethnic conflicts that could be solved
AndreiB wrote:So your point is "Islamist is a form an extremism" which is a right one, since it reacts to oppression. Hitler also used to think that his actions are right, since he reacts the "Jewish oppression". For me, this is not an excuse.
linguoboy wrote:AndreiB wrote:So your point is "Islamist is a form an extremism" which is a right one, since it reacts to oppression. Hitler also used to think that his actions are right, since he reacts the "Jewish oppression". For me, this is not an excuse.
I was going to point out the difference between the delusions of a frothing racist demagogue and the actual documented oppression of those marginalised by military conquest, racism, and political favoritism, but then I realised that arguing with someone who falls back on Hitler analogies to demonise those he disagrees with is a clear waste of everyone's time.
AndreiB wrote:My point is that extremism as a response to some kind of "oppression" is a pathetic excuse.
It doesn't matter what Putin says about Islam when his policies are clearly discriminatory in favour of the Russian Orthodox Church.
They may have suffered along with everyone else under the Soviets, but that situation has changed completely. Now they're quite happy to use the power of the state to suppress those they disagree with.
AndreiB wrote:Prove it. Orthodox believers say the opposite.
AndreiB wrote:This is Moscow during a Muslim holiday.Do we see the same in New-York? I doubt it.
AndreiB wrote:Western perception about Russia's internal affairs is built on what Western media writes and nothing more. Kinda the same like Russian perception about the West. This is a vicious circle. What we see it's people standing if front of TV, saying "Russia is bad, Russia doesn't respect human rights", "Russia oppresses Islam" and so on. I really suggest these people to visit Russia.
mōdgethanc wrote:So all those photos I saw the other day of gay people being beaten up by religious bigots while the police stood by and did nothing are fake, right?
I bet if linguoboy and his boyfriend wanted to make out in the middle of Red Square, nobody would bat an eye, because Russians are just a tolerant and liberal-minded people.
AndreiB wrote: So if you guys defend the Islamist out here, send 2 gays to Moscow, and then send them to Groznyi, or any Russian Muslim republic in the South. You'll find out who's more liberal.
Lada wrote:Yeah, Russia oppresses poor Islamist, especially their traditions like shooting on the wedding day, kidnapping, beating girls without scarfs, killing girls if they have relations with non-muslim guys, selling illegitimate children, killing sheep in the center of Moscow etc. These traditions are pretty much alive in the 21st century and I will support any actions towards oppressing them.
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