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Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:Which made me wonder: is religion also their reason to not vaccinate their children, or is mostly fear that the vaccinations are doing more wrong than good?
AFAIK it's mostly just stupidity. linguoboy beat me to it, but Andrew Wakefield and then Jenny McCartney started the hysteria over autism and mercury (never mind that decades of advances in neuroscience still haven't been able to tell us exactly what causes autism save that it's at least partly genetic and not all of the vaccines in question even have mercury in them) and it's never gone away despite his claims being thoroughly debunked. Parents of autistic children are understandably upset that their children have an incurable condition that's going to be a great strain on them all their lives, and some of them don't take it all that well. It's the same as batshit crazy people who are afraid that big government putting fluoride in water is a Communist plot to steal our precious bodily fluids - no amount of reasoning with them will convince them otherwise, because then the cognitive dissonance might be too great for them to handle.Which made me wonder: is religion also their reason to not vaccinate their children, or is mostly fear that the vaccinations are doing more wrong than good?
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:I've had pertussis, even though I was vaccinated, hm...
Immunization against pertussis does not confer lifelong immunity. While adults rarely die if they contract pertussis after the effects of their childhood vaccinations have worn off, they may transmit the disease to people at much higher risk of injury or death. To reduce morbidity and spread of the disease, Canada, France, the U.S. and Germany have approved pertussis vaccine booster shots. The pertussis booster for adults is combined with a tetanus vaccine and diphtheria vaccine booster; this combination is abbreviated "Tdap" (Tetanus, diphtheria, acellular pertussis).
Varislintu wrote:Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:I've had pertussis, even though I was vaccinated, hm...
You can still get it, even if you're vaccinated against it. Wikipedia says one of the vaccine types is 71-85% effective. Still, it's better than hoping for the best.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:Still, I understand a bit why parents think about not vaccinating their children (immediately). Because you can't avoid all diseases anyway. Because vaccination hurts (I cried so hard when I was nine or so, I remember it vividly, if I could have chosen then... Glad my mother forced me to stay ) Because vaccinations can make you ill (well, feverish).
I'd still vaccinate my child though. And that you would get autism of it, that's just stupid, how can anyone believe such a thing
Varislintu wrote:I read this article in a British online newspaper where a woman described her "conversion" from being against vaccinations for her kids to having them vaccinated, after her child caught and suffered through pertussis, i.e. whooping-cough.
Varislintu wrote:A lot of parent who want to vaccinate later talk about how they don't want to expose their kids to pathogens (from vaccines) before their immune system has developed more. I don't understand the reasoning for this, however. Young children, new to the world, are exposed to pathogens on a daily basis. That's what makes their immune system develop. The few additional ones in vaccines can surely not be the most dangerous ones that'll break the child's health, considering the greater picture.
mōdgethanc wrote:As I've been saying, it has little or nothing to do wth religion, and it would be wrong for a foreigner to arrive at that conclusion.
mōdgethanc wrote:And if autism rates really are going up, it's due to some other factor and not vaccinations, making it a perfect example of correlation not equaling causation.
Hoogst wrote:But I wanted to check because I found it surprising, and I still do, because in the Netherlands it's almost always because of religion. That's why there are now measles only in the villages with lots of religious people.
linguoboy wrote:Hoogst wrote:But I wanted to check because I found it surprising, and I still do, because in the Netherlands it's almost always because of religion. That's why there are now measles only in the villages with lots of religious people.
I think before about fifteen years ago, that was also the case here. One of the few instances I came across of a US polio outbreak after the introduction of the Salk vaccine was within an Amish community.
mōdgethanc wrote:linguoboy may well be right that there has always been religious opposition to vaccination, but but would have been on a much smaller scale than today. I know the JWs don't even allow blood transfusions, so I doubt they'd be okay with injecting pathogens directly into the bloodstream.
I've since realized that I was an idiot for thinking months ago that it was pretentious and pedantic for you to ask for them. Sometimes it's easy to forget just how disastrous empirical ignorance can become.linguoboy wrote:By the way, if I come off as an asshole with my demands for citations and sources for claims made in these fora, well, this is part of the reason why. No, generalisations about vowels and consonants are not matters of life and death. But if you get used to evaluating the evidence critically even in these cases, then when it is a matter of life and death you'll do it without a second thought.
linguoboy wrote:Its leaders ... are conspiracy theorists with the strange belief that there is big money in vaccinations. (In fact, the low profit margin is one of the reasons why research and development is commonly funded by state actors.) There's actually much more money to be made in treating measles (which can cost upwards of $30,000 per case in the USA).
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