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What to do when there's no money?

Postby Levo » 2013-05-16, 11:50

I don't know how many of you heard about Bulgaria these months.

It's the typical and most extreem example of former socialist Eastern Europe. The case is similar in many other countries in the region, just not so extreem (yet).

Very low salaries, prices approaching Austrian levels, high corruption, low-level services country-wide in many fields of life and the unability to gain more if you are just a plain citizen without any buddies in higher/good positions.

1. Any ideas how to solve this all country-wide?
2. As a person living in the system, how can you make a better life for yourself by legal ways without leaving the country?

I'm interested in all ideas how to solve these quite actual problems.

Note, that I don't mean it for myself, I mean in general. Thanks.

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Levike » 2013-05-16, 15:59

I don't know that much about Bulgaria but here in Romania the situation is quite similar.

Our politicians always talk about the so-called "fonduri europene" but it seems that nobody knows how to handle them, somehow it's always wasted on something stupid or gets into the pocket of some fat politician.

- One of the stupidest thing is that the Goverment gives money to the church
when everyone knows that they are super rich.

- Or one of the funniest was when the mayor of a small village used all of its money
to build a huge gym even if almost everyone living there is like 50-80 years old.

So the better administration of our money "would be" a good start.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby ling » 2013-05-16, 18:39

Tax the rich.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Lada » 2013-05-20, 16:35

Levo wrote:1. Any ideas how to solve this all country-wide?

Any problems in any system start somewhere high among senior management. One of the managers must leave but he must be replaced by an intelligent one, who really loves his job by all his soul, otherwise things can't be changed.

2. As a person living in the system, how can you make a better life for yourself by legal ways without leaving the country?

The only way to feed yourself legally is to start business, preferably in IT, because you can make it at home totally alone. The easiest what I can think of is to open your e-shop. I speak from my point of view as my country looks like Bulgaria though things are not so bad as IT sector develops quickly and it's the only one that grows. Though if I were in Bulgaria I would start to develop an international IT service as local market is very small.

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Rivaldo » 2013-06-27, 4:08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjb1ZYz8RlU

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Lietmotiv » 2013-06-27, 6:56

It's very sad to watch that the World is heading towards communism.

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Set » 2013-06-27, 7:07

Dismantle the state.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Tenebrarum » 2013-06-27, 13:47

Cry. Then starve.

The cuntry country I'm living in boasts a jolly inflation rate of around 20% a year, so that's probably where we're heading to.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-07-03, 8:52

Could be worse. Look at the Weimar Republic.
AndreiB wrote:It's very sad to watch that the World is heading towards communism.
Oh really? How many communist revolutions have there been since 1991?

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Varislintu » 2013-07-03, 9:15

What places are heading towards communism?
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Set » 2013-07-03, 10:33

Varislintu wrote:What places are heading towards communism?

Obamaland of course!!
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby IpseDixit » 2013-07-03, 23:23

AndreiB wrote:It's very sad to watch that the World is heading towards communism


Lol, on what planet do you live?

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Johanna » 2013-07-03, 23:35

Yeah... To me it seems like Europe is getting more and more right-leaning.

Here lots of Libertarian stuff is getting implemented without the underlying Social-Democratic elements being removed, so you get private companies making huge profits on tax money (instead of using the money to maximise the quality of the things they're running), and in many countries Fascist and Neo-Nazi parties are gaining ground, while the more leftish parties are getting insignificant.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-07-03, 23:58

If things like bank bailouts are communist, I'd like to see where in communist doctrine it says that favouritism towards big corporations is part of the master plan for the proletarian revolution.

Anyway, to answer my own question:

Number of communist states in 1991: 14. (I should have said 1989, when the collapse of communism began; the number in that year was 24, counting the 15 constituent republics of the USSR together, which are all independent now. The full total using present-day borders would therefore be 38.)

Number of communist states at present: 4. (North Korea officially renounced Marxist-Leninism in 2009 and its sole guiding ideology is now Juche.)

Number of communist revolutions since 1991 (the year of the breakup of the USSR and end of most remaining communist states): Zero.

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Lietmotiv » 2013-07-10, 11:56

IpseDixit wrote:Lol, on what planet do you live?


I live in reality, and I can notice that at least in Germany, there are many people who have communist(in terms of ideology, and I'm not talking to something related to China/USSR/North Korea way of building communism), or let's say socialist-communist political views, than in ex-USSR, for instance. People from the West seem to care more about equality, social protection, starving children in Africa, immigrant rights and environment protection. Most of the young people here don't give a crap on expensive clothes and brands, unlike those who were born in USSR, for instance . This is my opinion.

And Europe started to consume less and less, and this is a fact - ask any salesman in any industry/field.

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Levike » 2013-07-10, 13:09

A wide-scale survey was done here in Romania this year
and more than 50% said that they prefer communism.

I asked even my parents, grandparents and they have the same opinion.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby Lada » 2013-07-10, 15:20

AndreiB wrote: People from the West seem to care more about equality, social protection, starving children in Africa, immigrant rights and environment protection.

I think it's not about communism, but about secular humanism and society's health.
Most of the young people here don't give a crap on expensive clothes and brands, unlike those who were born in USSR, for instance .

In Europe there's a large middle class and difference between the poor and the rich is not so enormous, and probably it's not part of the culture to show how much money you got in the pocket, so everyone is almost the same. Also they live with all that posh stuff since childhood, while here generation born in USSR is hungry for all these things, I think it will end soon.

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby DissidentRage » 2013-08-13, 21:45

ling wrote:Tax Raid the rich.


Better.

This is a very simple problem that libertardians don't seem to grasp. When all of the money is soaked up into their offshore bank accounts, what can you trade? Are we going to have to go back to bartering? Nothing in the universe is infinite, including money. Someone having a lot of it therefore means someone else has none. It is not only economically necessary to raid the offshore accounts of the wealthy elite, it is morally responsible behavior.
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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-08-13, 23:26

Do you ever get tired of tilting at windmills?

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Re: What to do when there's no money?

Postby DissidentRage » 2013-08-14, 13:54

I don't get tired of things I don't do.
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