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md0 wrote:I can see her point though. Expected clothing for women in social situations has a lot of micro-regulations, while men just have a few broad expected clothing categories.
vijayjohn wrote:Women certainly are complex and multifaceted human beings. So are men and children.
vijayjohn wrote:It doesn't strike me as unreasonable for people to think of their choice of clothing on a given day as reflective of their mood
IpseDixit wrote:md0 wrote:I can see her point though. Expected clothing for women in social situations has a lot of micro-regulations, while men just have a few broad expected clothing categories.
That's not what she means. She doesn't even mention social pressure. She's basically saying "this is how women are, we're polyhedric human beings who change everyday".
mōdgethanc wrote:Edit: also lol feMRAs
linguoboy wrote:She calls women having the same freedom to wear whatever they want that men take completely for granted "biological sexual harassment".
Yasna wrote:linguoboy wrote:She calls women having the same freedom to wear whatever they want that men take completely for granted "biological sexual harassment".
Um, what? Neither sex has the freedom to wear whatever they want. Never heard of indecent exposure laws?
linguoboy wrote:I work at a university. Every day I see men wearing athletic gear with their junk clearly outlined for all the world to see.
A professor I knew had a male student who would wear cut-off sweatpants, sit in the front row, and slouch so you could see his entire ballsack.
How many male buttcracks have you yourself seen in your lifetime? Now compare that to how many times you've heard a man's appearance used to justify an assault against him. (For me the number is zero.)
It's the most ridiculous double-standard and literally everyone in the world can see it for what it is except the pervy men who benefit from it and the women who stand by them because they don't want to admit they've thrown their lot in with pervs.
Yasna wrote:A professor I knew had a male student who would wear cut-off sweatpants, sit in the front row, and slouch so you could see his entire ballsack.
I have literally never seen a situation like this in my life
Yasna wrote:How many male buttcracks have you yourself seen in your lifetime? Now compare that to how many times you've heard a man's appearance used to justify an assault against him. (For me the number is zero.)
You are completely missing the point. A slob's revealed buttcrack provokes sexual arousal in exactly no one.
Yasna wrote:Last weekend I had my nipple pinched out of the blue by a drunk girl I had just met, presumably due to my appearance. Does that count?
Yasna wrote:It's the most ridiculous double-standard and literally everyone in the world can see it for what it is except the pervy men who benefit from it and the women who stand by them because they don't want to admit they've thrown their lot in with pervs.
I agree that there's a double standard, but I don't think you can think coherently about the topic if you're ignoring all differences in male and female sexuality. For a start, how about admitting that it doesn't make sense to treat female chests and male chests as equivalent in this context?
Yasna wrote:For a start, how about admitting that it doesn't make sense to treat female chests and male chests as equivalent in this context?
linguoboy wrote:You've never seen sideball in your entire life?
I don't see how this is missing the point. If anything, it's proving it: straight men are aroused by certain sorts of bodies, so they police the hell out of those. They aren't aroused by other bodies, so they ignore it when they're exposed.
This is the clear double-standard I'm talking about.
When you reported it to the police, did they ask what you were wearing at the time? If so, then it does. HTH.
I'm not "ignoring differences in male and female sexuality" (whatever you claim those to be, as if both sexes didn't show a huge range of variance). If anything, you are ignoring similarities between opposite-sex attraction and same-sex attraction. Gay men are men, too. Why don't we get to blame our lack of self-restraint on your provocative behaviour?
And why doesn't it? Plenty of other cultures allow women to expose their chests without civilisation going to pieces around them.
I find men's nipples intensely attractive and I think it's great how willing you all are to display them openly for me. Could you really blame me for giving them a friendly tweak now and them? After all, I'm a man; it's what I'm programmed to do, apparently.
linguoboy wrote:Let's just take a pause to remember that the primary biological purpose of mammaries is to nourish offspring. The fact that men in certain cultures have eroticised them to the point that they are considered too obscene to be displayed in public is...kind of gross when you think about it.
Yasna wrote:linguoboy wrote:Let's just take a pause to remember that the primary biological purpose of mammaries is to nourish offspring. The fact that men in certain cultures have eroticised them to the point that they are considered too obscene to be displayed in public is...kind of gross when you think about it.
This could only be thought by someone not sexually attracted to breasts.
Yasna wrote:All the video was saying is that staring at indecently exposed parts is a normal and expected reaction. How many gay men have gotten in trouble for staring at an exposed buttcrack?
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