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енерго про/evn arbitrarinesses

Postby language learner » 2013-02-17, 20:52

The media are silent as fish as usual, so I thought someone else should say it instead.
For a long time the bills for electricity have been oversized, reaching over 300% of the actual value in some instances.
A week or so ago protests began against evn and енерго про. They haven't stopped til now.
Today alone there were over 100 000 protesters in 35 cities. In Varna they were over 30 000.
Just search for енерго про in youtube: clicky

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Postby Levo » 2013-02-18, 13:45

It's true this wasn't among the headlines.
I searched on it and read the article in Hungarian.

To be honest, I feel so sorry for Bulgaria all the time :/
It is like Hungary just even worse in all sense. Even less money and even wilder capitalism, etc...
Even bigger differences between prices and incomes. The Eastern you go, the worse it became. I'm really sorry, Bulgarians, I hope you'll find a solution. :/

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Re: енерго про/evn arbitrarinesses

Postby language learner » 2013-02-19, 20:27

Things are escalating fast - there are indications that our government is going to use military technology against the protests:
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video scroll down to the end of the article

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"Desert cats" are offensive military equipment, which can also carry psychotronic weapon. The authority got scared from the excalation of the protests and brought armoured vehicles allegedly to "guard" the protest. Not only that the presence of military equipment in the streets of Sofia has a strong daunting effect on the discontented citizens, which become more and more by the day. The prime minister clearly seens where things are going to and tries to break the people and to make them to not stand firm on their rights.

"Desert cats" are armoured vehicles, which are used all over the world for quelling riots. They have the possibility to be equiped with modular equipment, which can include powerful silencers for mobile phones, radiostations, TV signal, etc. Apart from that they can also be equiped with sources of ultra-short waves, which are harmful to people and can lead to headache for weeks, lost of conciousness and other direct physical and phisycological harms. The goal of bringing the 'cats' in the streets of Sofia is clear - to scatter forcefully the demonstrants.

I personally warn the protesters - if you see the armoured vehicles from the photo - move away - nobody knows yet what they are equipped with and what are the risks for your health. I officially appeal to the minister of defence Anyu Angelov to inform the society with what purpose the military technology is put against the peaceful protest of the citizens.

It is already clear that GERB(the political party in power) senses the complete bankruptcy(crash, collapse) and is unscrupulous in choosing the means - the ministers in power don't have the moral restriction to execute violence against the Bulgarian citizens and even to announce martial law...

Nikolai Tsonev, chairman of "New alternative"

Former minister of defence

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Photos and a video from the protests.

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Postby Varislintu » 2013-02-20, 13:28

I just read the first bit of this I've seen on a local newspaper site. They say the Bulgarian prime minister will resign in protest to police violence toward protesters. They briefly say the reason for the protests are "risen electricity prices among other things". Judging by this thread that's simplifying the issue a bit. :P
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Postby johnklepac » 2013-02-20, 14:43

Yahoo News played it out like the entire government had resigned.

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Postby language learner » 2013-02-20, 15:41

The government indeed has resigned this noon. But this is not the end of the story - we are not satisfied with changing the power of one corrupted government to another. Increasingly more and more often are heard opinions that we should create a new constitution and follow the example of Iceland. Articles about this are also getting more numerous, such as this one.

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Re: енерго про/evn arbitrarinesses

Postby language learner » 2013-02-23, 16:28

Things are developing good. Today in Sliven there was a meeting between the organising groups of the protests from the whole country. There were people from 30 cities, who will discuss different proposals and will present them on the national protest tomorrow.

At the begining of the meeting the participants signed a declaration, in which they filled in their three names, ID, as well as whether they belong to a party or non-government organisation. This data was later checked using personal documents.

All members of parties were made to leave, so as they don't misuse the protests. According to the organisers there are already attempts of introducing intrigues among the protesters. They called everyone to ignore their personal ego and to be united. One member of a party left by his will.

In the meeting a declaration was send to the president, prime minister in retirement, the president of the parliament, the minister of interior affairs. Among the demands in it are nationalisation of all strateig branches and natural resources, prohibition of taking part in the politics for all political parties, change of the system of governing the country, including the law for elections, creation of national program with national pririorities, etc.

The people who made the declaration demand an official responce in seven days' time, otherwise they threaten with civil disobedience, lack of payment of the bills and new civil protests.
The meeting in Sliven is closed for the media and after its end the participants will announce their decisions.

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Postby Levo » 2013-02-26, 20:57

It seems like, corruption, uncontrolled prices, and uncontrolled wild capitalist economy reached it's final limits in Bulgaria.

I'm very interested what will come out of it finally. I wish the bests for the reformer civilians and hope all is going to be better. If you manage to implement something successful, let us know about it!

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Postby Lietmotiv » 2013-02-26, 21:37

Your and ours as well neighbours, the Romanians, had the same issue about one year ago - protests, governmental crisis, failed president impeachment and so on. As a result, the goverment resigned, and the socialists rule the country fighting with the president. The situation in the country itself it's getting worse, moreover the socialists did not furfill their promises regarding social policy and so on, therefore, in conlusion, these protests won't change anything.

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Postby language learner » 2013-02-27, 18:11

AndreiB wrote:Your and ours as well neighbours, the Romanians, had the same issue about one year ago - protests, governmental crisis, failed president impeachment and so on. As a result, the goverment resigned, and the socialists rule the country fighting with the president. The situation in the country itself it's getting worse, moreover the socialists did not furfill their promises regarding social policy and so on, therefore, in conlusion, these protests won't change anything.

What if not protests do you think will change the status quo?
Our case is a bit different, no political party wants to lead the temporary government before the early elections. It isn't a secret to anybody that the country has went bankrupt, only that it hasn't been officially announced yet. There are no money in the country treasury - and by that I mean literally none. There are no money to pay the salaries to those who work for the country, there are no money for pensions, nor for child allowances. The country fees to EU have not been payed simply because there isn't anything to pay them with.
If the protests continue for one-two months more, the country won't have money to pay the policemen's salaries to guard from the protests and what do we do then? :roll:
That all the remaining money and gold in BNB(Bulgarian national bank) are being carried out urgently in an unknown direction is not a secret to anyone either, there are eyewitnesses. They were loaded into planes if I recall correctly. It's obvious that the politicians intend to move away from the country in short time.

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Postby Levo » 2013-03-01, 18:27

имен wrote:
AndreiB wrote:Your and ours as well neighbours, the Romanians, had the same issue about one year ago - protests, governmental crisis, failed president impeachment and so on. As a result, the goverment resigned, and the socialists rule the country fighting with the president. The situation in the country itself it's getting worse, moreover the socialists did not furfill their promises regarding social policy and so on, therefore, in conlusion, these protests won't change anything.

What if not protests do you think will change the status quo?
Our case is a bit different, no political party wants to lead the temporary government before the early elections. It isn't a secret to anybody that the country has went bankrupt, only that it hasn't been officially announced yet. There are no money in the country treasury - and by that I mean literally none. There are no money to pay the salaries to those who work for the country, there are no money for pensions, nor for child allowances. The country fees to EU have not been payed simply because there isn't anything to pay them with.
If the protests continue for one-two months more, the country won't have money to pay the policemen's salaries to guard from the protests and what do we do then? :roll:
That all the remaining money and gold in BNB(Bulgarian national bank) are being carried out urgently in an unknown direction is not a secret to anyone either, there are eyewitnesses. They were loaded into planes if I recall correctly. It's obvious that the politicians intend to move away from the country in short time.

Sounds good though...

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Postby BlackZ » 2013-03-01, 18:37

AndreiB wrote:(...)in conlusion, these protests won't change anything.

At least there is a possibility (even if it's thin) that something will change. A possibility that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the protests.
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Postby NulNuk » 2013-03-03, 7:33

desert cats are just modular jeeps, usually armored, though there are also civilian versions, and they can carry many things, not necessarily worst things than what you would find on a common police car, they are used usually on places that are hard to pass, or places where a normal police car would be destroyed by rioters, thats all, no need to go far and make ppl scare from cars for no reason....
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Postby language learner » 2013-03-07, 18:14

NulNuk wrote:desert cats are just modular jeeps, usually armored, though there are also civilian versions, and they can carry many things, not necessarily worst things than what you would find on a common police car, they are used usually on places that are hard to pass, or places where a normal police car would be destroyed by rioters, thats all, no need to go far and make ppl scare from cars for no reason....

Then tell me what do you think is the thing on the top of this car:
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hint: the prototype of the cats:
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Postby NulNuk » 2013-03-10, 1:56

the hummer is not the prototype for the desert cats, the desert cat is an Israeli Jeep (it uses a ford f chassis cuted to make it smaller ), but it was developed and constructed in Israel ), and the hummer is a US Jeep.

and as I wrote, the desert cat is a modular Jeep, you can put every thing you want on it, just like in any other modular Jeep, but that does not mean you need to be scared from all of them.
this car was build for the border police, that is why they look the way they look.
Israel does not have "psychotronic weapons", so I don`t know how small they can be made (the ones I saw on the internet look just way too big for a desert cat, desert cats are relatively small Jeeps, so they can be use inside wadis (dead rivers), they where designed small, because the hummer is too big for all the wadis in Israel and the disputed territories, so the border police needed a smaller and more versatile Jeep than the army ( I.D.F uses hummers and an Israeli Jeep call "Sufa" )), to me it looks like an "intelligence box", a box with equipment used to gather information, with special cameras and microphones that can be used even to monitor a specific person, or group of ppl inside a huge crowd, and it is used in protest with big crows, to try to spot rioters and help the policeman find them and arrest them. (the picture is too small though, so it could be any thing, maybe its just an empty cage to be use by some one that stands inside the Jeep, that also exist), in any case, I doubt it could have any kind of "psychotronic weapons", because in the few countries that supposedly have them, they are secret, and the "cats" are assembled in Israel, by a privet company, so they would not be a secret any more.
(the company could though just send the "cats" with empty cages and the electricity prepared just to add any thing, but still I thought that ).
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Re: енерго про/evn arbitrarinesses

Postby language learner » 2013-05-17, 13:20

The elections for new government have been held five days ago, on May 12th. Officially, about 51% of the people have voted. However, everyone knows that here there are falsifications in every single election - preprinted votes on the voting-papers, votes on behalf of dead people, incrementation of votes during the counting, etc. In this election alone there has been a big scandal with some 350 000 illegitimate voting-papers. So the actual percentage of people who have voted is way less. Not to mention the number of sold votes (paying people to vote for certain political party), this makes the number of people who support any party even less. The vast majority of people therefore doesn't support any political party and probably the political system itself.
The fact that less than half of the people have voted makes the new government illegitimate. To me it seems that not many realise this yet. We'll see how it goes.


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