linguoboy wrote:Yes it does, it absolutely does. This is like saying that Saudi men don't benefit from laws that ban Saudi women from driving. When you limit someone's freedom of movement, you limit their opportunities.
Totally not the same. You're not going to get openly convicted of driving and being of a certain race, and you're definitely not going to get beheaded.
You're not going to get beheaded for driving in Saudi Arabia either, Mr Cultural Sensitivity.
johnklepac wrote:Even if you get pulled over, it's only because you've been driving recklessly
Nonsense; you can pulled over for a host of reasons, from having out-of-state plates to having a noisy blower
. In fact, there are so many possible moving violations that any cop who can't
find an excuse just isn't trying. At the very least, there's always, "We're looking for a car that matches this description."
johnklepac wrote:and the rates of actually being pulled over are similar among races, though they differ by a bit among genders (women are less likely).
But Blacks and Hispanics are three times more likely to be searched
after a stop. When's the last time the police searched your car?
johnklepac wrote: linguoboy wrote:
Let me ask you this: How many times would you have to be pulled over by police (or stopped on the street and frisked
) in a particular area before you would start to avoid going there? Now imagine a world where this is common practice in most places. What effect would this ultimately have on your freedom of movement and, thus, your opportunities? And what benefits would accrue as a result to others who are not subject to the same restrictions?
How likely is it that you'll get pulled over or frisked for no reason, period
Very likely, if you live in certain neighbourhoods and fit a certain profile. I can tell you're not big on reading, so perhaps you can spare a few minutes for this video
? (See, I even picked a funny one to make the bitter pill go down better.)
johnklepac wrote:or that you'll happen to be in the same place multiple times? I can see where you're going with this, but it's a real stretch.
It's only a "stretch" for the people with privilege to avoid it. Come to my neighbourhood, talk to the minority kids here. Ask them how many times they've been stopped by police outside of their own homes or the homes of their friends.
johnklepac wrote:And how is it "common practice in most places"? If anything, it's worse in the U.S. than almost anywhere else.
So you're saying that it (a) doesn't happen but (b) that it happens much more in the USA than anywhere else?
linguoboy wrote:What is the proportion of black-owned companies to white-owned companies in the United States?
Small. But I'm not arguing that it isn't. I'm arguing that it isn't 0. I refuse to believe that that is so difficult to work with.
So when it comes to the number of people being executed unfairly, the fact that it's greater than one isn't really relevant. But it when talking about how likely whites are to apply for jobs at Black-owned businesses, then
the fact that it is greater than one is suddenly of huge relevance?
I never said they were of identical consequence; I'm just countering the assumption that white people being better off is universal. Besides, this is typically a case of death vs. life; both are unspeakably severe penalties. Also, it's very rare to be, y'know, convicted of murder at all.
That's not the whole story, that's just the leader. Again, if you can find the time, read the actual report I linked to. The bias is presence in all aspects of the justice system: stops, searches, arrests, prosecutions, and sentencing. One of the cumulative effects of this is that Blacks and other minorities are much more likely to be victims of crime because they have much less trust in the police to serve their interests.
johnklepac wrote:Here's another example. It kinda sucks to be told that you or your people are pretty much responsible for the ills of the world or even of the U.S. I'm white, so I know that this prejudice exists (God, it feels good to play that card).
Sorry, you don't actually have a card to play. Hari Kondabolu explains why.
(See, another funny one!)
johnklepac wrote:From what I've heard and observed, most of what black people are told based on race is that they don't work hard enough so they can't be successful, though of course I'm not black so I don't know.
What exactly have you "heard and observed" first hand?
johnklepac wrote:Ever heard your parents contrast privileges with rights? A privilege is something that you don't need to have and, frankly, probably shouldn't have, and a right is something that you deserve. If you call white people being searched less often an example of "white privilege," what you mean is that white people deserve to get searched more often. No. No one should get searched if there's no good reason.
If white people are people are okay with the system we have now, where racial minorities are searched, charged, prosecuted, sentenced, and imprisoned more often and for longer than they are, then we absolutely deserve that same treatment. Our privilege is what allows us to demand tougher penalties while largely escaping being subject to them.
get searched for no good reason. Every day. Your privilege not only allows you to avoid being searched yourself but live your life without having to know or care that this even happens.
"Richmond is a real scholar; Owen just learns languages because he can't bear not to know what other people are saying."--Margaret Lattimore on her two sons