yggdrasil wrote:Again, the law we are talking about is not aimed against any social group. It does not punish people for being gay, straight whatever. It only prohibits certain activities, no matter who performs them. Nobody is persecuting the gays for being gay. Sexual orientation is strictly a private matter. But social activity is not. It is just the social activity the law regulates. If I were in minority I would still obey the law and did not do anything violating it. I would try to convince the majority to change the situation in a legal manner. And if it were not possible I would leave the country.
The law we are talking about punishes people for offending others, and it just so happens that particular social groups are being most affected by it.
And pray tell, how do you go about trying to convince the majority to change the situation when just stating your beliefs publicly can get you years in jail, before you're even able to debate the merits of them and thus maybe convince anyone of anything?
If I offended someone I apologize. If it is not sufficient the offended side may try to file a lawsuit against me. In this case he should provide evidence of my crime and defend the case in court. He may win or may lose. That's how legal system works. Any other suggestions?
I do have another suggestion, answer the question and follow the point I was making.
For clarification: the green of my name denotes that I am an admin here on these forums, and therefore I am acting as the judge of this little trial. The charges have already been bought, I've already decided you offended at least one person, and now I'm letting you choose whether or not you should be punished. As I stated before, I'm expecting that choice reflects on how you truly believe in regards to using a law to punish incitement of enmity for prosecuting and convicting people for having differing opinions that merely offend people, without actually causing them harm. So once more, am I to give you a ban of the same term as you would have in jail were this Russia and you were found guilty, or do I not ban you, given that using a law about enmity to prosecute for simple offence is at best a very liberal interpretation, and at worst systematic discrimination and silencing of opposing opinion to the majority.
yggdrasil wrote:The fact that as you say most Nordics are pro-LGBT only shows how far away you have gone from your spriritual heritage. It is a question who deserves more to use Norse symbols: modern days Scandinavians or Russians. Anyway I don't think that symbols belong to you in the sense of intellectual property. Picking any symbol does not contradict the rules of this forum. I have chosen it because I admire Norse mythology. BTW, the vikings despised the gays. But I like Norse languages and myths not because of that. My attitude towards the gays is neutral.
You are saying that Yggdrasil is feminine name? Grammatically it is not. Are there girls are called Yggdrasil? Funny.
It says nothing about how far gone Scandinavians are from their spiritual heritage. Almost everything we know that was written down about homosexuality in Scandinavia comes from the post-Christian conversion, written down by Christian missionaries primarily. Even then, the earliest things written seem to say that only being the passive, receiving male was shameful, and it is said that Sinfjotli even boasted of his partaking in homosexual behaviour, so the active role at least was seen as perfectly acceptable, and indeed, it seems there may be evidence to suggest that as long as one was able to do his (or her) job in the society, and produced offspring in marriage, then any sexual relations outside that were accepted, regardless of the sexuality of them, especially so amongst the farmers, even if not amongst the warriors.Hallakarva, G. The Vikings and HomosexualityGreenburg, D. The Construction of Homosexuality (pages 242-250)