linguoboy wrote:Ludwig Whitby wrote:What you are doing is making it worse. Europe and USA are Russia's rivals. By supporting the gays and lesbians you are making them into a tool in the hands of Europe and USA that is used to weaken Russia and destroy Russia's moral and cultural independence.
Why is that "weakening Russia"? Did it "weaken Switzerland" to adopt full women's suffrage? (Something Russian women had before American women, I might add.) Was it wrong to put external pressure on South Africa to end Apartheid? Did that destroy their "moral and cultural independence"?
Neither Switzerland nor South Africa were strong enough to stand up to foreign pressures. Russians feel that Russia is strong enough to stand up to foreign pressures and want it to act accordingly. I will not respond to your appeals to emotions.
linguoboy wrote:Ludwig Whitby wrote:You see, it is all about power. You can either be strong and choose your own destiny yourself or weak and serve the goals of the strong. Russia wants to be strong while you're not allowing them to do that.
That's part of the problem: Russia can only view the struggle in an oppositional, zero-sum manner. If doing what's right happens to be something the West wants, then this is a "victory" for them and a "loss" for Russia.
No. They don't want to do what ever the West wants to make them do. The more pressure you put on them, the more they would be determined not to do it. You're pushing into them and they are pushing back just as strongly. The only ways to resolve this would either be that one part would get pushed to the ground, or that you stop pushing.
linguoboy wrote:Moreover, this whole view of a country as an organism with its own "destiny" is simply nonsense anyway. "Russia" is a high-order abstraction; Russians are actual people. Here we have a situation where a majority of the people living in Russia are oppressing a minority there. What about the rights of that minority to choose their own destiny (i.e. live, love, work--even marry and have a family if they want to)? Why should the need for "Russia" (as represented by the political elite) to exercise power and autonomy trump the need of Russian citizens to do the same.
It is nonsense according to you. It is the truth according to the Russians. They think of Russia as an extenstion of themselves and their families. If foreigners insult Russia, the Russians themselves feel insulted. If foreigners want to coerce Russia the Russians themselves feel threatened.