Illegal immigration problems and solutions

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Bryon » 2012-03-26, 1:40

Enjoy your heavily protected borders when the median age in your country is 65.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby hlysnan » 2012-03-26, 1:43

We have a satellite state that is ready and willing to take care of the unwanted for us. It's also a safe country that has signed all those UN declarations and conventions on refugee rights.

The visa overstayer problem can be completely eliminated if a group of people can be arranged dedicated to sifting through the visa registry and calling out people whose visas have expired and have not officially left the country.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby linguoboy » 2012-03-26, 2:18

hlysnan wrote:The visa overstayer problem can be completely eliminated if a group of people can be arranged dedicated to sifting through the visa registry and calling out people whose visas have expired and have not officially left the country.

Or, alternatively, by simply not issuing the visas in the first place.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby hlysnan » 2012-03-26, 3:04

That too.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby JackFrost » 2012-03-26, 3:59

hlysnan wrote:We have a satellite state that is ready and willing to take care of the unwanted for us.

In confinement camps. That's not freedom.

Also, I just find it wrong to dump your #firstworldproblems onto poor countries such as Nauru.

The visa overstayer problem can be completely eliminated if a group of people can be arranged dedicated to sifting through the visa registry and calling out people whose visas have expired and have not officially left the country.

If you know where they are and how to reach them.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby hlysnan » 2012-03-26, 5:50

JackFrost wrote:In confinement camps. That's not freedom.

Meh! They broke Australian law, so they're criminals anyway.

JackFrost wrote:Also, I just find it wrong to dump your #firstworldproblems onto poor countries such as Nauru.

1) Nauru is one of the richest countries in Oceania.
2) They want to take our problems.

JackFrost wrote:If you know where they are and how to reach them.

If more resources were put to it, I'm sure they could be found.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Bao » 2012-03-26, 6:35

Jamie, do you know why there's a sex trade at all?
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby hlysnan » 2012-03-26, 6:38

There is a demand and supply.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby JackFrost » 2012-03-26, 7:41

hlysnan wrote:Meh! They broke Australian law, so they're criminals anyway.

No, they're not.

1) Nauru is one of the richest countries in Oceania.

No, that'd be Australia. Nauru is 8 times poorer GDP-wise.

2) They want to take our problems.

They have no choice if you wave millions of dollars in front of them. That's just taking advantage of the poor folks.

If more resources were put to it, I'm sure they could be found.

Not all of them will be.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby hlysnan » 2012-03-26, 7:51

JackFrost wrote:No, they're not.

The boat people aren't refugees. They're mostly country-shopping economic migrants. Afghans and Tamils in Indonesia are not suffering from persecution.

As for visa overstayers, they're mostly from the UK. You're not going to say they're refugees, are you?

JackFrost wrote:No, that'd be Australia. Nauru is 8 times poorer GDP-wise.

One of, not the.

JackFrost wrote:They have no choice if you wave millions of dollars in front of them. That's just taking advantage of the poor folks.

Well geez. We have no obligation to send them money. We aren't the ones that wasted their support fund away.

JackFrost wrote:Not all of them will be.

You don't know that for sure.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Saim » 2012-03-26, 8:47

hlysnan wrote:
JackFrost wrote:No, they're not.

The boat people aren't refugees. They're mostly country-shopping economic migrants. Afghans and Tamils in Indonesia are not suffering from persecution.

What the fuck

Afghans and Tamils don't come from Indonesia...

As for visa overstayers, they're mostly from the UK. You're not going to say they're refugees, are you?

No-one in Australia cares about deporting British people, because they're white. Sorry Yasha, you're alone on this one.

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JackFrost wrote:In confinement camps. That's not freedom.

Meh! They broke Australian law, so they're criminals anyway.

Meh. It's not like they have rights or anything. They're foreign. Fuck 'em.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby hlysnan » 2012-03-26, 9:11

Saim wrote:What the fuck

Afghans and Tamils don't come from Indonesia...

Their boats do. The people smugglers are Indonesian.

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Tenebrarum » 2012-03-26, 16:49

An illegal immigrant ate your baby sister or something? :? :? :?

Why don't people thinking like you all get born in poop-hole countries like Afghanistan... We'll see what attitude you would adopt living such a life.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Bryon » 2012-03-26, 17:31

Tenebrarum wrote:Why don't people thinking like you all get born in poop-hole countries like Afghanistan... We'll see what attitude you would adopt living such a life.

It would be nice to deport all of them to Somalia or somewhere else with the low taxes they crave.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby linguoboy » 2012-03-26, 17:34

hlysnan wrote:
JackFrost wrote:No, that'd be Australia. Nauru is 8 times poorer GDP-wise.

One of, not the.

Really? The statistics I can find rank it fifth from the bottom in a field of thirteen. Where are the ones you found which put in at the top?

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hlysnan wrote:2) They want to take our problems.

They have no choice if you wave millions of dollars in front of them. That's just taking advantage of the poor folks.

It's actually even worse than that: Nauru has no military at all, just a small police force. It relies entirely on Australia for its defence. So it's pretty disingenuous to talk of them "wanting" to accept an offer they can't refuse.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby loqu » 2012-03-26, 18:22

Tenebrarum wrote:Why don't people thinking like you all get born in poop-hole countries like Afghanistan... We'll see what attitude you would adopt living such a life.

Because you can only be an insensitive brat when your future is safe. You know.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby BlackZ » 2012-03-26, 19:08

I've always heard a lot of criticisms about restrictions in the ammount of Brazilian immigrants in USA, EU and other developed countries. Such a situation was frequently called by many people as an prejudice against our country.

However, we've been receiving quite a large influx of Haitian immigrants lately. Ironically, the same people who blamed USA and EU for the so called "prejudice", are calling for restrictions on entrance of Haitians in Brazil...

I've read excuses such as "We are a very poor country too!" to "Their problems aren't our fault!"... I've even heard the "They will gonna steal our jobs!" one... And then, our government decided to approve such restrictions...

I hate this f**king hipocrisy... Where is the "reciprocity policy" and the "prejudice" now?! I'm very disappointed :x
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Saim » 2012-03-26, 19:39

hlysnan wrote:
Saim wrote:What the fuck

Afghans and Tamils don't come from Indonesia...

Their boats do. The people smugglers are Indonesian.

So... that makes them all economic migrants? Wut?

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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby linguoboy » 2012-03-26, 19:56

Saim wrote:So... that makes them all economic migrants? Wut?

I think his point is: If they are asylum-seekers, why didn't they seek asylum in Indonesia (or any of the other countries they passed through after leaving the jurisdiction where they suffered persecution)?

Personally I agree with the researchers at the Forced Migration Studies Programme in Witwatersrand when they point up a "false dichotomy" between economic migrants and other sorts of "forced migrants", so I don't consider the distinction particularly relevant. But there are people who do and, if you're one of them, it is a legitimate question to ask.
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Re: Illegal immigration problems and solutions

Postby Bao » 2012-03-26, 20:08

hlysnan wrote:There is a demand and supply.


So what, do you believe, will happen when you try to cut the supply?
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