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Evolution versus Creationism

I believe in Evolution
88
80%
I believe in Creationism
7
6%
I believe in Itelligent Design
4
4%
I believe in Theistic Evolutionism
11
10%
 
Total votes: 110

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Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Leviwosc » 2011-11-20, 22:17

What do you believe?

I believe in the evolution theory.

I'd like to know what you believe.
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby MillMaths » 2011-11-20, 22:41

I've voted.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Hunef » 2011-11-20, 22:41

I believe in evolution theory. Of course, in principle we could live in a simulated world with gods running it (through creationism, intelligent design or theistic evolution), but ultimately at some level of hierarchy some kind of evolution must have taken place. I believe we live on that top level but I'm not sure. The top level is defined to be the level where natural evolution takes place.
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby hlysnan » 2011-11-20, 22:44

Specifically, deistic evolutionism.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Hunef » 2011-11-20, 22:47

hlysnan wrote:Specifically, deistic evolutionism.
OK, like the authorized Catholic stand point. But where does the deity come from, what's its origin?
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby hlysnan » 2011-11-20, 22:50

The deity is the origin. Can the origin have an origin? Also, deistic evolutionism is not reconcilable with Christianity so it cannot be Catholic.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Hunef » 2011-11-20, 22:57

hlysnan wrote:The deity is the origin.
Where does the complexity come from? Can complexity appear from nowhere without some kind of accumulating process like e.g. evolution? Imagine a baby being born. Its origin? The parents. It ends there, right? You only need parents to make babies. (Oh, wait a minute - babies grow up, don't they? :para:) I understand if your brain gets to tired when thinking about what the baby's parents' origin is, but people like me like to take the leap to also trying to include the theory of grandparents (and great greandparents etc.).

hlysnan wrote:Can the origin have an origin?
By definition, no. But in the simulated-universe approach the deity may be considered to be a being in a higher-level universe.
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby hlysnan » 2011-11-20, 23:02

Hunef wrote:Where does the complexity come from? Can complexity appear from nowhere without some kind of accumulating process like e.g. evolution? Imagine a baby being born. Its origin? The parents. It ends there, right?

It's like you say though. The complexity arises from evolution.

Hunef wrote:By definition, no. But in the simulated-universe approach the deity may be considered to be a being in a higher-level universe.

It could be. I won't deny that possibility.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Hunef » 2011-11-20, 23:05

hlysnan wrote:It's like you say though. The complexity arises from evolution.
I mean the deity's complexity, not the present universe's complexity. If accepting that something had to add complexity to our universe you also ned to explain the origin of the source of complexity, i.e., where the deity came from.
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby sa wulfs » 2011-11-20, 23:34

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Jurgen Wullenwever » 2011-11-20, 23:45

Is creationism then "un-intelligent design"? :?:

Sort of like the Chinese model, where the oven was too hot while making darkskinned people, too cold making paleskinned people, and perfect making East Asian people. Creating by trial and error.

Or would that be "intelligent"?
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby MillMaths » 2011-11-21, 0:07

There's a name for the oven. It's called the Sun.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Aurinĭa » 2011-11-21, 0:19

I don't believe in anything. I accept as true what has been conclusively proven scientifically, which is the case for only one of those four.

Jurgen Wullenwever wrote:Is creationism then "un-intelligent design"? :?:
Design? According to the story, yes.
Unintelligent? Most definitely.

Not that intelligent design is more intelligent.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby md0 » 2011-11-21, 2:52

I don't believe in nothing o_O
I am a religious person (or a mathematician).
Evolution is the best explanation science can provide as right now, and it's observable. Unlike Creatitionism, no faith is required.
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2011-11-21, 10:24

melan wrote:I don't believe in anything. I accept as true what has been conclusively proven scientifically, which is the case for only one of those four.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Tenebrarum » 2011-11-21, 15:32

"I believe in evolution" is like "I believe in physics".

> implying that your whimsy beliefs actually matter in the face of heartless, mindless universal laws
> if you find yourself saying either of them, then you're a bit removed from reality
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby linguoboy » 2011-11-21, 16:26

Tenebrarum wrote:"I believe in evolution" is like "I believe in physics".

Quite. They both reduce to "I believe that my fellow fallible humans have, by rigorously applying the scientific method, managed to come up with models which describe observable phenomena with sufficient accuracy to be taken as true." Faith is required, although it's of a markedly different sort than religious faith.
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Aurinĭa » 2011-11-21, 18:04

I wonder who voted for intelligent design.

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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby Leviwosc » 2011-11-21, 19:01

Hmm till so far what I expected, not what I hoped for to be frank. It would've been fun if some fundamentalist creationists had replied to this topic. :lol:
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Re: Evolution versus Creationism

Postby MillMaths » 2011-11-21, 21:18

melan wrote:I wonder who voted for intelligent design.

I thought they voted for ITelligent design.


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