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best 10 countries to live in

Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-10, 3:42

This is a list of countries by inequality-adjusted human development index (IHDI), as published by the UNDP in its 2011 Human Development Report. According to the report, the IHDI is a "measure of the average level of human development of people in a society once inequality is taken into account. It captures the HDI of the average person in society, which is less than the aggregate HDI when there is inequality in the distribution of health, education and income. Under perfect equality, the HDI and IHDI are equal; the greater the difference between the two, the greater the inequality." In that sense, "the IHDI is the actual level of human development (taking into account inequality), while the HDI can be viewed as an index of the potential human development that could be achieved if there is no inequality."

1 Norway 0.890
2 Australia 0.856
3 Sweden 0.851
4 Netherlands 0.846
5 Iceland 0.845
6 Ireland 0.843
7 Germany 0.842
8 Denmark 0.842
9 Switzerland 0.840
10 Slovenia 0.837

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Re: best 10 countries to live in

Postby Bryon » 2011-11-10, 4:18

I much prefer the regular HDI.

1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Netherlands
4. United States
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. Ireland
8. Liechtenstein
9. Germany
10. Sweden

In my opinion, the addition of the United States and Canada makes it a winning combination. :mrgreen:
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Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-10, 6:59

I don't know. USA has a high GINI index:

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regular HDI is like you eat chicken, I eat bread, we eat a sandwich :mrgreen:

Nevertheless, HDI (both the normal one and IHDI) is important.
Brazil has seen a massive industrial development in the last 10 years, but average Brazilian
hasn't seen any benefit from it. :( Industrial development does not, necessarily, correlate with with the human development (quality of life, health, education, cleanliness, security)...
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Postby Hunef » 2011-11-10, 22:38

Bryon wrote:I much prefer the regular HDI.

[. . .]

In my opinion, the addition of the United States and Canada makes it a winning combination. :mrgreen:
At the expense of Sweden. :roll:
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Postby Chekhov » 2011-11-11, 19:16

How about we stop obsessing over international rankings and live in the countries we want to?
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Postby Ashucky » 2011-11-13, 21:45

10 Slovenia 0.837

Heh, I think someone must've made a huge mistake there ... Slovenia in the top 10? Definitely not in this universe.
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Postby Chekhov » 2011-11-14, 6:13

That's adjusted for inequality. Slovenia must be a really egalitarian place.
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Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2011-11-14, 9:30

And it is, unsurprisingly. What else would you expect from a former Yugoslav republic that at the moment even has a socialist government.

Even the other ex-Yugoslav countries have a considerably higher position in the inequality-adjusted list.

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Re: best 10 countries to live in

Postby Saim » 2011-11-14, 10:38

I find it very interesting that the US is 4th on HDI, but 23rd on IHDI. I was surprised when I saw that the US had moved up to 4th place in 2011 from its 13th place in 2009. Although the adjustment for inequality makes sense, what accounts for its relative rise in absolute HDI in the last few years?

Also, some cool global comparisons:

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OECD, CIS, Latin America & Caribbean, East Asia, Arab states, South Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa

Hm, it appears Sub-Saharan Africa was improving at the rate of South Asia until the '80s. I wonder what accounts for that, and I wonder what the graph would look like if extrapolated into 2010.

EDIT: Maybe AIDS had something to do with it.
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Postby hlysnan » 2011-11-14, 10:41

Life expectancy in Sub-Saharan Africa has been decreasing since the 1980s. Reason: AIDS.

I'm actually surprised that their HDI is increasing.

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Postby Chekhov » 2011-11-14, 17:52

Africa isn't stagnant, you know. Some countries are doing pretty well.
I find it very interesting that the US is 4th on HDI, but 23rd on IHDI. I was surprised when I saw that the US had moved up to 4th place in 2011 from its 13th place in 2009. Although the adjustment for inequality makes sense, what accounts for its relative rise in absolute HDI in the last few years?
That would be because they changed all the metrics. That famous American inequality isn't even that bad, you know. By world standards, it's average. The only reason America has this reputation for stifling class divisions is because a) it's less egalitarian than most other rich countries, because socialism never caught on there and b) it has the most rich people, period.
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Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-15, 13:48

Also, American healthcare is heavily privat(iz)e(d). For most Europeans, privatized healthcare sounds like privatized army or privatized police. :?

Norway has the best health system, and there are virtually no private doctors there. :)

I would rather be poor in Cuba (where everyone is poor) than in Brazil (where there are 10 % rich people who own 90% wealth of the country and laugh at the poor). :? Brazilian situation is a formula for high crime, and it shows. :?

Last time I was in Brazil (2 years ago), I approached two young women on the street, asking for help (I wanted to know where a certain bookstore was), and they replied me, and added ''next time, make sure you ask a police officer, and not random people, because it's dangerous''. :? It's horrible to live in a country like that. :(
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Postby Aurinĭa » 2011-11-15, 17:16

TeneReef wrote:Norway has the best health system
That's not what my Norwegian teacher said.

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Postby Ashucky » 2011-11-15, 20:29

Chekhov wrote:That's adjusted for inequality. Slovenia must be a really egalitarian place.

I don't know about that. Personally, I think Slovenia isn't a very egalitarian place whatsoever, with the politcians and a few others being rich while the rest are kinda poor and many people barely (or not) manage live from month to month ...

Rumpetroll wrote:And it is, unsurprisingly. What else would you expect from a former Yugoslav republic that at the moment even has a socialist government.

Well, may be true considering we have pretty much the same people we had when Slovenia under Yugoslavia, altho I'm not sure what to call the screwed up system we have. But nonetheless, at the moment, we have NO government! :partyhat: :partyhat:
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Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2011-11-15, 22:09

Ashucky wrote:
Chekhov wrote:That's adjusted for inequality. Slovenia must be a really egalitarian place.

I don't know about that. Personally, I think Slovenia isn't a very egalitarian place whatsoever, with the politcians and a few others being rich while the rest are kinda poor and many people barely (or not) manage live from month to month ...

Rumpetroll wrote:And it is, unsurprisingly. What else would you expect from a former Yugoslav republic that at the moment even has a socialist government.

Well, may be true considering we have pretty much the same people we had when Slovenia under Yugoslavia, altho I'm not sure what to call the screwed up system we have. But nonetheless, at the moment, we have NO government! :partyhat: :partyhat:

I think you should put your country into perspective. You don't have the ghetto, favelas, slums for example. Income equality is quite high, according to the UN Development Programme. We're not saying Slovenia is perfect, it's just quite good. Or at least was, we'll see how you guys work your way out of the Euro crisis.

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Postby Hunef » 2011-11-15, 23:23

TeneReef wrote:Norway has the best health system, and there are virtually no private doctors there. :)
Heard about oil? :hmm:
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Postby Bryon » 2011-11-15, 23:25

TeneReef wrote:Norway has the best health system, and there are virtually no private doctors there. :)

Since when does private = bad? Going by the number of private doctors is a very poor measurement for the quality of health care. I'd say the quality of the American health care system is high, it's just expensive and wasteful in parts.
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Re: best 10 countries to live in

Postby JackFrost » 2011-11-16, 4:13

Also, American healthcare is heavily privat(iz)e(d). For most Europeans, privatized healthcare sounds like privatized army or privatized police.

Healthcare in Canada is generally provided by the private system.

Also, American healthcare is heavily privat(iz)e(d). For most Europeans, privatized healthcare sounds like privatized army or privatized police.

Doctors and nurses are private workers here too.

The private health industry and workers are not necessarily evil, you know?
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Postby TeneReef » 2011-11-16, 6:57

Ashucky wrote:I don't know about that. Personally, I think Slovenia isn't a very egalitarian place whatsoever, with the politcians and a few others being rich while the rest are kinda poor and many people barely (or not) manage live from month to month ...
Oh, it's not that bad. I don't even go shopping to Italy anymore. In Ljubljana everything's cheaper and better offer. :D
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Postby Chekhov » 2011-11-16, 7:34

Most people don't think of them that way.
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