Saim wrote: Yasha wrote:
Saim wrote:The reason we're using it this way is because in the US it's the opposite. "Liberals" are social liberals whereas "libertarians" are market liberals who often (but not always, and definitely less than other American right-wingers) tend towards conservatism on social issues.
No, I don't think libertarians can be social conservatives.
I wouldn't personally consider them libertarians, but there are plenty of market liberals in the US who have some social conservative leanings. Ideology is not black-and-white, as you don't have to be libertarian on every
issue to belong to that sort of "camp" if you know what I mean. For example, a typical American 'libertarian' might support a free market, but be pro-military and anti-drug legalization. Or, they might be pro-market and pro-drug legalization but anti-gay marriage.
gay marriage = personal freedom, a reall liberatist shouldn`t be against it, a liberalist can be.
drug legalization = both personal freedom and personal protection, you can find liberatist both against and pro, usually depending on how they approuch the issue.
free market = an economy and personal freedom issue, a liberatist should support free market as a personal freedom issue, but as an ideology that also supports personal protection, a liberatist can also support protective socialist regulations to preotect the weak.
I also find that a real liberatist can`t really be also a social conservative, but instead he should be a protective socialist, I my self what I call a "responsible socialist", I believe in both personal freedom and free market, but also in social protection and regulations, the system should protect the ppl so they can live a dissent standard of life, but should let also ppl do any thing they want whith their conpanies, as long as they hurt no one, there for the need for personal protective regulations.
I`m a left wing liberatist, I believe in personal freedom, but I`m also a socialist that believe the system should protect ppl.
(a protective socialist, believes in the need for social protection, a responsible socialist believes socialists should remind them self in a global system, the kind of protection they chouse for their ppl should be one that won`t left them with no work, thats why the "responsable", for example, I prefer to regulate prices to give ppl that work a chance for a dissent life, instead of high salaries that would make the workers non competitive in the global market, and left them with no jobs, even though I would like as a socialist to give them a high salary, and as a liberatist to not regulate prices, it may sound kind of a conformist ideal, but its more a pragmatic nessesity ).