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Re: Your core beliefs (religious/life phil/spiritual/ethical)

Postby księżycowy » 2011-03-28, 9:59

So I take it that by looking at the events and things around us, one can infer that no deities exist? Interesting.
I could get on board with that, as I don't believe there are any sentient deities myself (well actually I find it hard to believe that are any deities in the traditional sense).
Not sure if my former rantings showed that. :?

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Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-03-28, 10:13

Yeah.

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Postby BezierCurve » 2011-03-28, 10:17

While my views are close to your, the Terry Pratchett's view is an interesting one: a deity is as much real and strong, as much is it believed into.
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Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-03-28, 10:20

That's silly. Believing something doesn't make it real (although I realize he probably meant "insofar as it impacts on your life").

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Postby BezierCurve » 2011-03-28, 10:26

Try to define what's real for you beyond "as it impacts on your life".
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Postby księżycowy » 2011-03-28, 11:23

Interesting notion. I could see that. It seems as though people how are in organized religion, for example, truly think that their deity (or deities) are real.

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Postby ILuvEire » 2011-03-30, 6:04

I think I'm an agnostic theist. Or maybe just agnostic? I don't really care about God, I'm too busy worrying about Earth.

My core belief is this axiom: don't be a dick. That's pretty much all I got.
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Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-03-30, 6:45

Thought you were trying to be a Jew?
Try to define what's real for you beyond "as it impacts on your life".
That sounds like solipsism, which is stupid.

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Re: Your core beliefs (religious/life phil/spiritual/ethical)

Postby Michael » 2011-03-30, 9:01

I'm Roman Catholic, but just your normal Catholic teenager, nothing more. The Church has her flaws, and I disagree on certain doctrines. I support contraception, but not abortion, and I also support the ongoing struggle for women's rights both within and outside the Church. (Am NOT a feminist though!)
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Postby BezierCurve » 2011-03-30, 9:39

Talib wrote:Thought you were trying to be a Jew?
Try to define what's real for you beyond "as it impacts on your life".
That sounds like solipsism, which is stupid.


This sounds like an unnecessary generalization. Saying a deity is real to you cause it has an impact on your life does not mean it excludes other things or beings from reality (the one perceived by you).
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Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-03-30, 9:55

What you just said didn't make much sense to me. Can you explain what you meant?
I support contraception, but not abortion, and I also support the ongoing struggle for women's rights both within and outside the Church. (Am NOT a feminist though!)
Supporting women's rights is what feminism is, not the cliché of man-hating bulldog dykes.

(Reproductive rights usually include abortion, but there must be some feminists who disagree with it, although none come to mind right now.)

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Postby Michael » 2011-03-30, 10:10

This is exactly why I hesitated posting in this hazardous subforum from the start..
I don't really know how to phrase it. I guess I'm not that much of a women's rights supporter, but what I do want to state is that I'm not a chauvinist :wink: (Women can get annoying sometimes too..)
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Postby mōdgethanc » 2011-03-30, 10:12

Well yeah. Anyone can be annoying, and there's no reason to be a chauvinist.

I haven't seen any discussions about feminism or women's rights around here yet so I think you're safe.

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Postby BezierCurve » 2011-03-30, 10:46

What you just said didn't make much sense to me. Can you explain what you meant?


I meant that I don't see the necessity of applying solipsism to it.

Believing in a deity is not about putting other beings' (or "minds'") existence in doubt.

In terms of logic:

p => q does not necessary mean that -p => -q.
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Postby Varislintu » 2011-03-30, 11:20

Michael wrote:I guess I'm not that much of a women's rights supporter, but what I do want to state is that I'm not a chauvinist :wink: (Women can get annoying sometimes too..)


So, annoying people shouldn't have equal rights with men, or...? :ohwell:
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Postby Varislintu » 2011-03-30, 11:25

ILuvEire wrote:I think I'm an agnostic theist. Or maybe just agnostic? I don't really care about God, I'm too busy worrying about Earth.


A good vid: You are Not Agnostic.

I've seen a better video about this subject, too, but I can't find it anymore :hmm:...
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Postby ILuvEire » 2011-03-30, 21:39

Talib wrote:Thought you were trying to be a Jew?
I am. But I think I see Judaism more as a cultural practice. Maybe. I don't really know, honestly. I haven't really decided maybe? Hell if I know.
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Postby johntm » 2011-03-30, 22:34

Michael wrote:This is exactly why I hesitated posting in this hazardous subforum from the start..
I don't really know how to phrase it. I guess I'm not that much of a women's rights supporter, but what I do want to state is that I'm not a chauvinist :wink: (Women can get annoying sometimes too..)

I think I know what you're saying, I think I'm sort of the same way. It's more apathy, right? You want them to have equal rights, and you believe they should, but you don't identify with the modern feminist movement?
I'm still not sure how to word it exactly.
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Postby ILuvEire » 2011-03-31, 3:19

I agree with the modern feminist movement, and I'm all for pro-choice marches. But I'm just surrounded by feminists that can't take a joke. Jesus christ, what's life if we can't laugh?
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Postby Michael » 2011-03-31, 3:24

Exactly. In the past, I was starting to lean towards agnosticism, but I've hung on to Catholicism. It has its many drags, but I do see some worth in our religion. Even the Church nowadays is leaning towards evolutionism, and I believe in a harmony between science and religion. So evolution does happen, and the Big Bang did take place; the Big Bang though is just a scientific name for God :wink:
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