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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2019-02-02, 18:46

Yasna wrote:
As far as I can tell nation-states are one of the biggest threats to citizens' security overall.

Okay...
The state protec but he also attac
Remind me again what you want to replace nation states with.
Historically speaking, it would be some kind of communal totally-not-just-a-really-decentralized-state that calls itself something like "free confederation of liberated territories" that will work great for like three months and then get crushed by a larger and more powerful state. This is a joke

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby md0 » 2019-02-03, 7:47

No long-term benefit from [Cyprus] selling [EU] passports [to foreign investors]

too greek; didn't read:
European Commission: Your passport-selling scheme benefits only certain land developers and lawyers, it doesn't create any long-lasting ties between the investor and Cyprus, and does nothing to help the citizens of your country or public finances.
Expert adviser to the government (trying to impress EC): The EC is right. A Chinese investor buying a luxury apartment they never visit and which they can resell after three years doesn't create a ties to the country. Instead, we should encourage them to invest in building casino resorts, which require ongoing management and commitment from the investor's part.
:roll:

Not turning citizenship into a commodity, especially when you are denying it from ~20 000 Cypriots-by-lineage, seems not be an option for our government.

At this rate, I won't be surprised if the EU starts considering internal sanctions against Cyprus (and Malta), à la Hungary.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Saim » 2019-02-03, 8:51

Yasna wrote:Remind me again what you want to replace nation states with.


Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen.

mōdgethanc wrote:Historically speaking, it would be some kind of communal totally-not-just-a-really-decentralized-state that calls itself something like "free confederation of liberated territories" that will work great for like three months and then get crushed by a larger and more powerful state. This is a joke


This guy gets it!

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mōdgethanc wrote:Maybe it's because I'm from a country which didn't participate in the war or maybe it was the left-leaning media I consumed but I remember the war being popular at first and then becoming very unpopular as it dragged on.

No, that's how I remember it, too. But the only protests I remember surrounding the war were precisely at the time when the war was popular, and it's always seemed to me that they were not at all successful in influencing public opinion. The war was at best terribly thought out from the start, so of course it ended up being unpopular.


I was too young to remember the beginning of the war much (just that I was against it, it was about oil, the Iraqi State had been toppled after a couple of days and they killed Saddam's sons). Chomsky had this to say about it:

The protests against the Iraq War were historically totally unique. I think it's the first war in history where there was massive protest before the war was officially launched. I can't think of a case where that ever happened. And it's claimed that the protests had no effect, but I don't think that's true. It should have gone on. Unfortunately, it reduced, and that allowed more leeway for aggression.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Noam_C ... _Peace.htm

I always had the feeling that the US wasn't able to commit ground troops to invading Libya or Syria due to what happened in Iraq, but that may be more about imperial overreach than the popular reaction to it.

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Postby Car » 2019-02-03, 13:28

Saim wrote:I always had the feeling that the US wasn't able to commit ground troops to invading Libya or Syria due to what happened in Iraq, but that may be more about imperial overreach than the popular reaction to it.


I don't know about the US, but I read that in books by British authors several times, and yes, they explicitly mentioned the popular reaction to it.
Please correct my mistakes!

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2019-02-03, 19:56

Saim wrote:Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen.
get outta here you gommie

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Saim » 2019-02-04, 15:41

mōdgethanc wrote:
Saim wrote:Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen.
get outta here you gommie


Akshually, I'm a classical libertarian.

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2019-02-06, 18:37

Just when I thought Virginia politics couldn't get any better:

"Virginia's attorney general admits to wearing blackface in college"

That's the Virginia AG, not the Virginia governor, who won't tell us whether he's the guy in blackface or the one in a KKK costume on an old picture that recently surfaced of him. And not the Virginia lieutenant governor, who was credibly accused of sexual assault a few days ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47148045
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Postby linguoboy » 2019-02-06, 18:53

Some of my younger friends seem surprised to find that White people were doing blackface for fun in Virginia in the 80s. I'm not; I saw people do blackface at Halloween parties in Chicago in the 90s. To be fair, it wasn't the sort of stereotyped minstrel makeup seen in the Northam photo since there was still a widespread misconception at the time that blackface could be done "respectfully" (as Northam claims he was being when he blacked up to play Michael Jackson). But it was blackface all the same.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby aaakknu » 2019-02-06, 20:40

What do you think about the future Indonesian elections in April?
I do not understand politics well, but I'd like to know how likely is that the current president will win, and how different outcomes of the elections might influence Indonesia.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2019-02-07, 23:47

linguoboy wrote:Some of my younger friends seem surprised to find that White people were doing blackface for fun in Virginia in the 80s.

Some white people, sure. But the state's entire political class? lol

Next in line:

"Virginia Senate Majority Leader Tommy Norment was the managing editor of Virginia Military Institute's 1968 yearbook, which contained racist slurs and photos of students in blackface."

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/07/69243642 ... l-slur?utm
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Car » 2019-02-08, 11:57

Virginia even managed to make it into the NZZ with that.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2019-02-12, 6:53

Saim wrote:Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen.

What current or historical state is the closest to your ideal state?
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2019-02-14, 6:05

"We must understand that there is a difference between being a party that cares about labor and being a labor party. There is a difference between being a party that cares about women and being the women's party. And we can and we must be a party that cares about minorities without becoming a minority party. We are citizens first."

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Saim » 2019-02-15, 8:16

Yasna wrote:
Saim wrote:Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen.

What current or historical state is the closest to your ideal state?


I don't have an ideal state.

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2019-02-15, 23:47

"Je vois une foule innombrable d'hommes semblables et égaux, qui tournent sans repos sur eux-mêmes pour se procurer de petits et vulgaires plaisirs, dont ils remplissent leur âme. Chacun d'eux, retiré à l'écart, est comme étranger à la destinée de tous les autres, ses enfants et ses amis particuliers forment pour lui toute l'espèce humaine; quant au demeurant de ses concitoyens, il est à côté d'eux; mais il ne les voit pas; il les touche et ne les sent point; il n'existe qu'en lui-même et pour lui seul, et s'il lui reste encore une famille, on peut dire du moins qu'il n'a plus de patrie." - Alexis de Tocqueville

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