Yasna wrote:Temporarily loss of autonomy,
Estatut 2006, LOMCE, pobresa energètica, bullfighting. Why won't you address any of the attacks Catalan autonomy has been under from the Spanish media and "constitutional" court?
You know this conflict didn't start on Sunday, right?
And let's not forget that the majority in Catalonia didn't even support a vote for independence, so the majority of Catalans who wanted nothing to do with independence are suffering for the egoism of the separatists.
Where did you get this information from, the gods? The Economist?
md0 wrote:Yesterday I also read that the Catalan branch of PSOE got the court to stop a session of the Catalan Parliament to prevent the UDI. That party appears to be pro-federalism. If that's generally the way federalists in Spain go about things, I totally understand why many Catalans want full independence.
Yes, most people in Catalonia who were federalists before 2012 have since jumped ship, though I'd say the federalism of Catalunya Sí Que Es Pot (a party associated with Barcelona mayor Ada Colau, as well as with Podemos at state level; it's a coalition of the Catalan Greens + the local branch of Podemos + smaller centre-left parties) is more sincere than that of the PSC.
This sort of political use of the courts (that's been going on since at least 2006) is a huge part of the reason why the independence movement is so big and why it's laughable to hear that Spain is getting rid of Catalan autonomy just now
I used to think federalism was a much more sensible, realistic option than independence. Then I spent a couple of months reading what the Madrid press was saying about Catalonia (including https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvLPss6Kxss
this odious "documentary"* produced by the public TeleMadrid) and I was sadly disabused of that notion.
*For those who don't know Spanish, all you need to know about this documentary is the moment 3:50-4:15:
En los comercios, en las señales, en los colegios, en las calles, en los organismos públicos, en los restaurantes, en los carteles de prohibido, en el transporte público, en los aparcamientos: todo en catalán. ¡Sólo
en catalán! ¿Qué está sucediendo con el castellano en Cataluña? ¿Está quizá en peligro de extinción?
"In businesses, on public signage, in schools, on the streets, in public organisations, in restaurants, on signs that say "prohibited", in public transport, in parking spaces: all in Catalan. Only
in Catalan! What is happening with Spanish in Catalonia? Is it perhaps in danger of extinction?"