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Postby Saaropean » 2010-10-02, 15:01

The "international affairs thread" is a new game with simple rules:
- You tell us about a topic that is being hotly debated in your country.
- We (from other countries) tell you whether we have heard about it, whether such a thing would be possible in our countries, and what we think about it.


Let me start with a topic from Germany: Stuttgart 21.
Stuttgart [ˈʃtʊtʰɡaɐ̯tʰ] is the largest city of south-western Germany, home of Bosch, Daimler and Porsche. What Stuttgart lacks is a high-speed train connection to Munich, the largest city of south-eastern Germany.
Stuttgart 21 is a 4-billion euro plan to change that. Apart from expensive constructions to get on the Alb plateau, the project includes transforming Stuttgart's central station from a terminus to an underground two-way station, thereby demolishing parts of the historic station building, cutting some old trees in a nearby park, and building houses on an area of 100 ha now covered by railway tracks.
For almost a year, people have been protesting against Stuttgart 21 because of the ever increasing costs, because they hadn't been asked, and because innocent trees are killed. This week the police used water cannons and tear gas to get people ouf the park, so that the tree cutting could begin.
:arrow: News article "Water cannons turned on Stuttgart 21 protestors"
:arrow: more news
The project has been known to the public since 1994. Construction began in February 2010, and is planned to be finished in December 2019.
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Postby Varislintu » 2010-10-02, 15:37

I read about this on YLE news (online) a few days ago. I don't think people in Finland would defend a park so vigorously, or even protest costs, but on the other hand it all depends on how things escalate.
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Postby hlysnan » 2010-10-02, 23:47

I've actually never heard of this. There's a bit of talk about the same thing here to connect Sydney and Melbourne I think, but it's not very popular. I think it's possible considering how forceful the government is in getting what they want, but I don't think it's very likely. As for my opinion, I'm opposed. I think the costs outweigh the benefits and I think that any sort of investment like this shouldn't be done by the government. If there were a significant number of people attending demonstrations, then I probably would go too.

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Postby JackFrost » 2010-10-03, 2:14

Commission Bastarache (in French only).

An investagation on possible corruption picking judges after the Liberal victory in Quebec 2003 general elections. Something to do between those close to the Prime Minister office and having donated shitloads of money to the Quebec Liberal Party (no connection to the Canadian Liberal Party). PM Charest is in deep shit now as documents have proven he met his cabinet minister Bellemare... the guy who is supposedly to be heavily involved in this corruption scandal. PM has denied meeting him while under oath and now he is proven to have lied.

It's been ongoing for months now and I am very, very, very SICK of hearing about it. I already know that Charest is a useless and stupid PM since 2003. He's just plain lucky to get reelected twice since the sovereignist party Parti Québécois and centre-right party ADQ messed up during the election campaigns in 2006 and 2008.

Charest is prolly in deeper shit if he has to give in and create a commission on corruption accusations in the construction industry. The Québécois always have wondered why it cost more to build highways and bridges in Quebec than in Ontario and New Brunswick... provinces with similar weather conditions as Quebec. Over 80% of the Québécois want a commission on that and the PM is refusing to let it happen. He's hiding something for sure... :roll:

Bellemare. God... I keep read it as "Bellemarde" ("beautiful shit" in Quebec French).
Bastarache. Well... obviously as "bâtard" ("bastard").

LET IT END NOW!!!! It's driving me up to the wall.... I'm sure most Québécois agree too.

Now the whole fucking country are mocking us, calling us the most corrupt province.

Look at that beautiful cover from the Canadian version of Newsweek...

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Just wonderful... not even surprising, more Quebec-bashing from the Rest of Canada. :roll:
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Postby Formiko » 2010-10-03, 4:20

Yasha wrote:I've actually never heard of this. There's a bit of talk about the same thing here to connect Sydney and Melbourne I think, but it's not very popular. I think it's possible considering how forceful the government is in getting what they want, but I don't think it's very likely. As for my opinion, I'm opposed. I think the costs outweigh the benefits and I think that any sort of investment like this shouldn't be done by the government. If there were a significant number of people attending demonstrations, then I probably would go too.


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Postby hlysnan » 2010-10-03, 4:47

Formiko wrote:Is it actually possible to take 1 train from Sydney or Melbourne to Perth?


I'm not actually sure about Melbourne to Perth, but you can take the Indian Pacific from Sydney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Pacific

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Postby Oleksij » 2010-10-04, 20:19

Jacko, that picture seriously cracks me up. :lol:
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Postby JackFrost » 2010-10-05, 5:55

Oleksij wrote:Jacko, that picture seriously cracks me up. :lol:

People from Quebec City weren't that amused though for making a clown out of their mascot Bonhomme Carnaval. :P
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Postby Tenebrarum » 2010-10-19, 16:08

Formiko wrote:Is it actually possible to take 1 train from Sydney or Melbourne to Perth?

As you can see, the Indian Pacific line skips Melbourne completely. If you want to go on a trans-capital-city trip, there's always Greyhound. They offer cheap, hygienic and comfortable coach rides, which means only one thing: student passengers. Helped me save a whole lot of money.
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Postby md0 » 2010-11-07, 11:17

In Cyprus:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/festi ... h/20101106
Festival turns into war zone as migrants and nationalists clash
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ONE MAN was stabbed and several police and members of the public were injured last night at the annual migrants’ Rainbow Festival in Larnaca when violent clashes broke out between nationalist protestors and festival-goers.

Phinikoudes Beach was turned into a warzone, when marching members of three nationalist movements came into conflict with participants at the antiracism festival, and with members of migrant support group KISA, the organisers of the event.

Even in their riot gear, a number of policemen sustained injuries, as did several members of the public. In the aftermath, the beach was covered with broken chairs and other debris.

Eyewitness Beran Djemal told the Cyprus Mail last night that one Turkish Cypriot man – 30-year-old singer Sertunc Akdogdu who was performing at the festival - was rushed to hospital after being stabbed in the stomach, while another man had his arm broken. Djemal said after the fracas a number of Turkish Cypriots took refuge at Larnaca Police Station waiting for the violence to be over. As the newspaper went to press, incidents were ongoing.

“A music group of Turkish Cypriots who tried to go home were warned not to leave as it would be dangerous,” said Djemal. She said the injured Turkish Cypriots - and other festival-goers - asked for a police escort to the hospital because they were scared. “But the police refused to help and arrested four of the festival-goers. They did nothing to the fascists and told us not to take photographs because they said it was provocative.”

Headed by the Greek Resistance Movement, a group of protestors had been on their way to the town’s Ayios Lazaros area in a march they had arranged over a month ago to protest the government’s migrant policies.

Accompanied by a strong police presence, the protestors were on their way through Phinikoudes Beach – where the Rainbow Festival was being held – and according to eye witnesses, all hell broke loose.

The protestors came into conflict with members of KISA, which had decided to hold the Festival in Larnaca – instead of Limassol, as was initially planned – in a bid to hold an “anti-demonstration” to counterbalance the nationalists’ march.

According to Djemal, it all started during a speech by the head of the European Commission’s Representation in Cyprus – Androulla Kaminara.

“During the speech, around 80 fascist protestors carrying Greek flags started shouting slogans against migrants,” said Djemal. “The festival-goers returned the slogans, shouting: ‘Nazis out of Cyprus’”. It was then that the scuffles broke out.

“Some of the nationalists had their faces covered, one lifted up his shirt and showed a swastika tattooed on his stomach,” Djemal said. “They threw bottles at festival-goers and cut the electricity cables when a band was playing. Over the next two hours, clashes continued and the group of nationalists grew to around 150.”

Even though both sides offer contradicting accounts of how the events unfolded, the general view was that police and Larnaca Municipality had done little to avert the troubles.

KISA head Doros Polycarpou said his NGO had asked the police to divert the protestors’ march so that it didn’t pass by the Rainbow Festival.

“On the contrary, the police seem to have allowed them to move forward and once they reached the event, to protect ourselves, we sat in the road to block it in a peaceful way to convince the police to veer them away,” said Polycarpou. “They allowed the neo-Nazis to head into the event and start hitting people, in full view of the police. You can imagine what happened after that.”

Another eye witness who wished to remain anonymous told the Cyprus Mail: “The protestors entered the area where the festival was about to start and started throwing chairs all over the place, breaking every single one. There were children waiting in a caravan and they became very scared.”

On the opposite side of the fence, the nationalist protestors claim it was they who were attacked. However, they too agree that it all could have been avoided if the correct actions were taken by the police and Larnaca mayor.

“I am a member of the public who decided to march against illegal immmigrants - not against the migrants themselves, but the policies promoted in their favour by the government,” Dr Andreas Paraxenopoulos, a member of Greek Resistance, told the Cyprus Mail last night. “We announced our march a month and a half ago to the police, and the police – along with the Larnaca mayor – oddly allowed KISA to do another anti-demonstration. It is like they wanted to make us fight.”

Paraxenopoulos said the troubles started when members of KISA attempted to prevent the protestors from moving ahead with their march.

“We were calm. We are just trying to exercise our right as Cypriot citizens to do a demonstration to protest something that is of concern to us.”

He went on to accuse KISA members of throwing chairs at the protestors, as well as paint – something he said the public would become witness to when watching the news today.

“They started approaching us, breaking chairs and throwing them at us, calling us neo-Nazis – we just want our country to remain Greek. I was personally drenched in paint. They were savage with bad intentions and if the police weren’t there, they would have slaughtered us,” Paraxenopoulos claimed. “The police and municipality are to blame; they really seem to have wanted us to fight among ourselves.”

A Larnaca police spokesman said there had been a number of injuries, though the full extent of the damage will be assessed today.

Trouble started brewing last week, when KISA announced it would be cancelling the Rainbow festival in Limassol and bringing it to Larnaca last night, as an “anti-demonstration” to the planned march against migrants by the three nationalist groups.

KISA called on all members of the public to join its anti-demo against the “racist and radical right-wing elements in Larnaca”. It added that the Rainbow Festival would from now on be held in Larnaca instead of Limassol – as well as Nicosia – as an antiracism message to the town.

“In view of this new provocative demonstration, KISA decided to organise this year’s Rainbow Festival – apart from Nicosia – in Larnaca instead of Limassol, as was the case for the past two years,” KISA announced. “On the same day of the aforementioned event, the Rainbow organisation will send our antiracist messages against the presence and actions of the radical right-wing and racist elements in Larnaca.”

Referring to KISA as a “social abscess” and “the fifth column” – defined as a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group, such as a nation, from within to help an external enemy – the Greek Resistance used its website to blast KISA for organising the Rainbow Festival on the same day.
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Postby ILuvEire » 2010-11-07, 19:32

:o

That's terrible. Nationalist idiots need to quit ruining Cypress.
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Postby Oleksij » 2010-11-09, 10:30

Why am I not surprised.
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Postby md0 » 2010-11-09, 12:21

Oleksij wrote:Why am I not surprised.

Well, you live in Greece, why would you be surprised?
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Postby Oleksij » 2010-11-09, 16:13

Sure, bearing in mind that Greeks are even more nationalistic than Europeans on average.

It's not like I see the Greeks' admiration for themselves as the main problem (although to me it doesn't make much sense as a barbarian) - much worse it's the politicians and public figures who play on the sentiment and put more oil into the fire, when in reality a good share of the issues that Greece (and probably Cyprus) suffers from, have to do with those politicians'/public figures' own incompetence.

ΥΓ. Funny - Greece voted the first round of its municipal elections on Sunday and apparently quite a few people voted for 'Αλή Μπαμπά, που έχει μόνο 40 κλέφτες'. He was closely followed by μούντζα and Pikachu.
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Postby hlysnan » 2010-11-10, 6:03

"Fascist raid"? Biased much

The article above tells of both sides bearing blame.

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Postby hlysnan » 2010-11-12, 9:57

Swedes in shock at King Carl Gustaf sex scandal
Sweden has been shocked by revelations about their quietly dignified King.

Five months ago, the Swedish royal family was the toast of Europe. All eyes were trained on Stockholm as the glamorous Crown Princess Victoria wed her long-time boyfriend in a fairy-tale ceremony, and the world's press clamoured for a glimpse of the elegant Swedish royals and their regal guests.

Now the international media is again camped outside the gates of Stockholm's Drottningholm Palace – but this time for far less congratulatory reason.

Revelations last week that the King of Sweden once enjoyed romps in seedy nightclubs owned by shadowy underworld figures have eclipsed the sparkle of July's wedding. King Carl XVI Gustaf, the stern-looking, bespectacled monarch who is honorary chairman of the World Scout Foundation, has found himself thrust uncomfortably in the spotlight following the publication of an unflinching book, Carl XVI Gustaf – Den motvillige monarken (Carl XVI Gustaf – The reluctant monarch) which catalogues his past predilection for wild, alcohol-fuelled orgies and naked jacuzzi parties with models.

The book has caused uproar and dominated the country's media, leading to nationwide soul-searching about the 64-year-old King's role, reputation and right to privacy.

"Strip clubs, illegal clubs, rented ladies who are naked under their fur coats. Women were simply desserts, used as sweets to be served with the coffee," wrote Katrine Kielos in the daily Aftonbladet newspaper.

"The royal family has always been viewed as an august, fabulous family. But these allegations are so grave that our trust in them is seriously damaged," said Jenny Madestam, a political analyst. "The King is not even denying it."

Indeed, the King's bizarre press conference on Thursday – held in a forest after an elk hunt – only served to fan the flames of interest.

"I have spoken with my family and the Queen and we choose to turn the page and move forward because, as I understand, these are things that happened a long time ago," he said – standing in a field, still dressed in his wax jacket and hunting clothes, among a sea of camera crews and reporters.

His handling of the book's publication has shocked some observers.

"Now is the time for the King to be quiet and give no comments. Instead, he says yes to a press conference in the middle of the forest where anything can happen. It is like playing Russian roulette," said Paul Ronge, a PR expert, in the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper.

"His statement can be interpreted as a confession. It is beneath his dignity to even comment a gossip book about his private life. Now the plug is gone and the papers can print page after page with material from the book.

"For the royal court to handle the issue like kindergarten behaviour, without responsibility is very serious".

Indeed, the allegations that the king frequented Mafia-run clubs and used the state police to hide the evidence are extremely serious.

The book's authors, Thomas Sjöberg, Tove Meyer and Deanne Rauscher, spent two years unpicking the complicated story behind the throne.

"He was only 27 when he took office, in the midst of his bachelor years, with girls, booze and 'the lads'," they wrote.

"Then he suddenly became king, and had to promise the people to be a loving father. It was a totally unreasonable promise that he stood and gave in the state room."

Mr Sjöberg, a leading interviewer and investigative journalist, originally decided to look into the rumours of a dark private life that had long been muttered in Swedish society – enlisting the help of researcher Tove Meyer and former social worker Deanne Rauscher.

Together they set about lifting the veil of secrecy that hung over the palace.

"That was what I originally wanted to find out: how could such a young king handle a role he has not been allowed to grow into?" said Mr Sjöberg.

It was Ms Rauscher who interviewed many of the women who had been involved with the King.

From her two-bedroom antique-filled flat in Stockholm's upmarket Östermalm area, Ms Rauscher pieced together the testimonies of the women who had partied with the playboy monarch - including Camilla Henemark, a Swedish-Nigerian pop singer and model who had a year-long affair with the King in the late 1990s.

The authors write that the King "had fallen in love like a teenager" and that the Queen, his wife since 1976, knew about the affair but was powerless to stop it.

In an interview before her relationship with the King was known, Ms Henemark spoke of her spiral into depression around the end of the affair.

"It had been a party all the time and lots of champagne and money," she said.

When her modelling and pop career faded, she said: "I became distant and drank constantly. I sank deeper and deeper into depression and hated the world.

"I was thinking about suicide."

Last week Mr Sjöberg and Ms Rauscher took to a houseboat, sheltering one of the women who revealed details of her trysts with the King.

"It has been very stressful," Ms Rauscher told The Sunday Telegraph.

The authors also uncovered evidence of how a Serbian gangster, Mille Markovic, hosted parties for the King and his friends at an underground club in Stockholm, below the National Police Department.

Mr Markovic described how the club had a jacuzzi inside, and the girls invited to the parties "threw off their clothes and sat in the men's laps".

In the evenings the women were assigned their rooms. "It was not formally mandatory, but there were name signs on the doors showing who was going to sleep with whom", said one of the women.

Mr Markovic told a Swedish newspaper yesterday: "I've got live evidence. The entire world will see. This is no fake but real facts. I can prove every single thing."

But perhaps one of the most intriguing elements of the scandal, for those outside the Scandanavian country, is how the Swedish population have reacted.

Over 80 per cent say that the lurid allegations have not changed their perception of the King – and almost 50 per cent say that it is wrong for journalists to look into the private lives of their royal family.

Upon hearing about the book, producers an investigative news programme met with the authors - only to decide that they weren't interested in investigating the royal family.

Thomas Sjöberg, the book's author, admits that the royal family are seen as being above criticism.

"If it would have been the PM, he would be forced to resign the following day," he said.

"There would be a public outcry, severe political consequences for Sweden, political chaos and a constitutional crisis."

But despite the media whirlwind, Swedes seem very relaxed about their head of state's behaviour.

"All the negative PR experts commenting on the King's meeting with the press are totally wrong," said Brita Svensson, a royal correspondent.

"It was no fiasco, no disaster, not unprofessional nor a huge embarrassment. It was completely brilliant. Carl XVI Gustaf was himself.

"The King is ruling. Half of all Swedes say they have very good or good faith in the King. That is a sensational result for a 'Reluctant Monarch'."


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Postby loqu » 2010-11-12, 10:45

I'd say good for him. It's not bad to have an active and liberal sexual life.

What I find bad is that he gets paid but does not work. Like every monarchy, that is. But that's the Swedes' business.
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Postby Oleksij » 2010-11-12, 11:14

Yeah, what the hell... If he's the kaiser and wants knoedel... he should get it.
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Postby hlysnan » 2010-11-12, 12:19

I guess, but I still feel sorry for the wife and children.


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