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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2018-05-14, 23:24

vijayjohn wrote:
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vijayjohn wrote:"...I do the exact same thing!"

Name three examples of this.

Because you're totally not about to do the exact same thing again, right?

But anyway, since you did ask, you literally just did that, so there's your first example right there:
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Yasna wrote:lol ok. I won't make the mistake of engaging you in good faith again.


I don't consider it "good faith" to casually dismiss my lived experiences in a throw-away, bracketed sentence.

You get offended at the drop of a hat, then stick your fingers in your ears to avoid hearing arguments that don't align with your deeply held convictions. Almost sounds like a caricature of today's radical left. Wait...

You got offended at the drop of a hat while claiming to be "engaging...in good faith," then when the person you were talking to said why they don't consider that good faith, you stuck your fingers in your ears to avoid hearing an argument that doesn't align with your deeply held convictions.

Oh, you want two more examples? Oh look, you did it again while I was writing this post!
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Aurinĭa wrote:Furthermore, while there are people who say all gender is a social construct, many more simply say there's more to gender than just male/female, and that your gender isn't automatically determined by your genitals. A lot of these people are also of the opinion that it doesn't matter whether there are differences between e.g. male and female brains—you can't use such generalisations to infer anything about a specific individual, whatever their sex or gender.

Lots of opinions and scant scientific evidence.

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dEhiN wrote:And you do realize that a worldview, regardless of how much "evidence" there is to support it, is still a worldview? Meaning, it's still a subjective experience, and will never be an absolutive objective experience?

Ah, the classic postmodernist response to inconvenient facts.

You got offended at the drop of a hat, then stuck your fingers in your ears to avoid hearing another argument that doesn't align with your deeply held convictions.

As for number three...
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Yasna wrote:What??? If anything, Spain's firm response will deter other regions from moving towards secession.

Like it did during the Spanish Civil War? Everyone just laid down their arms after Guernica, didn't they?

A ridiculous comparison.

No, they're both part of the Spanish government's continued effort to marginalize regional and linguistic minorities.

To which you said nothing while continuing to argue in favor of "Spain's firm response."

Once again, you got offended at the drop of a hat as soon as linguoboy mentioned Guernica, then stuck your fingers in your ears once I pointed out why that's not "a ridiculous comparison."

You apparently don't have a clue what "getting offended" means. Somebody get this man a dictionary.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-05-15, 0:02

Oh, thank you! I'll wait. :)

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Saim » 2018-05-15, 6:29

Yasna wrote:Almost sounds like a caricature of today's radical left.


You forgot "regressive" and "postmodern". :)

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2018-05-15, 23:51

A thought-provoking critique of Jordan Peterson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1LhcEh8Ms
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Yasna » 2018-05-21, 5:38

The recent Munk debate on political correctness made for some interesting TV. Here was the most heated part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tlIGAg1aiU
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2018-05-22, 19:47

To hell with the father of the Santa Fe High School shooter for blaming his son's rampage on "bullying". I understand that he's upset and defensive. He's probably being unjustly dragged all over the world for having "raised a monster". (He's also being justly dragged for not keeping his weapons someplace where his son couldn't get a hold of them--something he declined to comment on in that interview.) But I am beyond sick of this excuse.

Know who gets bullied in high school? Basically everyone. And it's typically worse the more you deviate from a pretty narrow zone defined by white straight cis heteronormativity--a zone his son inhabited pretty comfortably. But I don't hear this explanation trotted out when non-white, non-straight, non-cis, LGBTQUIA youths shoot up schools. (Mostly because this rarely happens.) Maybe it's not the bullying. Maybe it has a lot more to do with how certain demographics are socialised to express their dissatisfaction with their environment--and what's available to them to express this dissatisfaction with.

(I'm also not down with all the accounts calling him a "boy" or a "child". He's seventeen. If he's not convicted before then, he might be able to vote in the midterms. He's less than a year away from being allowed to marry without parental consent. In Maryland, a Black 16 year-old just ran over a police officer and killed her while trying to flee a crime scene. It was immediately announced that he would be tried as an adult for first-degree murder. But this guy cold-bloodedly murders 10 people over 30 minutes and he's just a "boy"? [A "good boy", according to his father.] To hell with that double standard as well.)
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby md0 » 2018-05-23, 5:10

He's probably being unjustly dragged all over the world for having "raised a monster".

I am not sure about unjustly. Evidence was published of him participating in Golden Dawn activities when he was in Greece.
So he probably did raise a monster.

And how the far-right weaponises petty misogyny ("women won't have sex with me") on the *chans and the Reddits is horrifyingly effective.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby md0 » 2018-05-23, 5:22

Relevant Kourafelkythra:
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2018-05-24, 14:39

md0 wrote:
He's probably being unjustly dragged all over the world for having "raised a monster".

I am not sure about unjustly. Evidence was published of him participating in Golden Dawn activities when he was in Greece.
So he probably did raise a monster.

This angle has gotten no play at all in the US press. The only relevant reference I could find in English was a tweet from Tariq Nasheed.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Lutrinae » 2018-05-24, 19:34

Hi guys :)

I guess the political thread is the right place to post this ^^

So tomorrow in Ireland, citizens got the opportunity to vote, in a referendum, YES or NO to repeal the 8th amendment (prohibiting aborption).

I was talking to this with some friends and my family in France, and they didnt know that this was gonna happen, neither that aborption was prohibited in Ireland.

So it made me wonder if this event was known outside of the country, like for example how many of you were aware of it ?

I know that medias carries only certain type of news/information and mostly about some countries, but from the inside this seem a really big thing.
Thanks for any correction :)

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2018-05-24, 20:20

Lutrinae wrote:So it made me wonder if this event was known outside of the country, like for example how many of you were aware of it ?

I've seen some coverage of it in the American press, but I wouldn't think the average American would know it's happening. All the North Americans I know with strong connexions to Ireland (e.g. close relatives, frequent visits, cultural ties) are aware of it.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby md0 » 2018-05-24, 21:08

I was familiar with it because I follow the topic generally, but in the past two days headlines about it showed up in at least one big newspaper's upper half of the frontpage.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-05-25, 0:03

I didn't know there was going to be a referendum on it tomorrow. I had heard that it was illegal, though.

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Lutrinae » 2018-05-25, 7:01

linguoboy wrote:
Lutrinae wrote:So it made me wonder if this event was known outside of the country, like for example how many of you were aware of it ?

I've seen some coverage of it in the American press, but I wouldn't think the average American would know it's happening. All the North Americans I know with strong connexions to Ireland (e.g. close relatives, frequent visits, cultural ties) are aware of it.


Yes that make sense, apaprently lot of people living abroad are coming to vote :)

md0 wrote:I was familiar with it because I follow the topic generally, but in the past two days headlines about it showed up in at least one big newspaper's upper half of the frontpage.


In Cyprus or online ?

vijayjohn wrote:I didn't know there was going to be a referendum on it tomorrow. I had heard that it was illegal, though.


I was gonna answer that the referendum was legal, then I re-read and thought that maybe you were talking about aborption being illegal, not the referendum :roll:
Thanks for any correction :)

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby JackFrost » 2018-05-26, 0:25

Lutrinae wrote:I was gonna answer that the referendum was legal, then I re-read and thought that maybe you were talking about aborption being illegal, not the referendum :roll:

Erm, I rarely correct people's English, but you said it twice. Abortion. ^^

Overall, I long knew it was very illegal there and obviously, I'm happy they've voted in favour to appeal the amendment.

Although, the Canadian French-language media never really said anything about it until they just heard that "yes" is set to be the winner.
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-05-26, 1:48

Lutrinae wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:I didn't know there was going to be a referendum on it tomorrow. I had heard that it was illegal, though.


I was gonna answer that the referendum was legal, then I re-read and thought that maybe you were talking about aborption being illegal, not the referendum :roll:

Yes, I meant abortion being illegal. :)

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby Lutrinae » 2018-05-26, 8:47

JackFrost wrote:
Lutrinae wrote:I was gonna answer that the referendum was legal, then I re-read and thought that maybe you were talking about aborption being illegal, not the referendum :roll:

Erm, I rarely correct people's English, but you said it twice. Abortion. ^^

Overall, I long knew it was very illegal there and obviously, I'm happy they've voted in favour to appeal the amendment.

Although, the Canadian French-language media never really said anything about it until they just heard that "yes" is set to be the winner.


Please feel free to correct anytime you see mistakes in my texts :)
Thanks for any correction :)

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2018-06-01, 22:11

I knew abortion was illegal in Ireland and heard that it was repealed. Being from a country with some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world (ie. there are none) who supports that, I think it's a step in the right direction.

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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby md0 » 2018-06-05, 14:17

Some merely symbolic but nevertheless good developments in Cyprus today: the ruling conservative party, DISY, which was the last supporter of NATO membership for Cyprus, seems to have given up on that idea. "MFA: We are not interested, and we are not discussing joining NATO".

Which is of course nice in the abstract, but then you remember that four NATO countries have permanent military presence here anyway, and it feels more like a joke :lol:
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Re: Random Politics Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2018-06-05, 18:46

Join the party! NATO: the European union that works.


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