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Johanna wrote:I think he means that a lot of southern Europe looks way more Turkish than Finnish.
Not to mention that few would deny for example Albania the right to join, provided they sort out their problems first, so religion is clearly not an issue.
meidei wrote: And Swedes don't really look like Spaniards, appearance couldn't be more beyond the point here.
Take a look at the political culture of Malta, Italy, Greece, Cyprus and compare them to Turkey. Not that different. So I don't get why Turkey is not "European", but those countries are.
Marah wrote:Greece and Italy are culturally the cradles of Europe. Malta and Cyprus are tightly bound with those two countries. They're modern countries even though their economies are not really to their acme right now.
Turkey is on the verge of becoming a modern country. Societally... well, the Kurds for starters, the Armenian Genocide and the fact that their society is not as respectful to women as ours, even though they're making progress as far as this point is concerned. These aspects are problematic.
Maybe they can join the European Union in the future, though.
meidei wrote:To me that looks like an admission that there are no good reasons.
Because you have already said that geography is not a strong argument, and admitting a country based to what was going on that land 2000 years ago is nothing more than sentimentalism. The Arab world was actually the place where "our" Western values and science was (re)born while Europe was undergoing its Dark Age, but we don't talk about admitting Egypt or Iran in the EU.
I am not saying that EU should be forced to accept Turkey. EU has every right to arbitrarily accept or deny any country from joining. But lets be honest that it's just that, arbitrary.
Formiko wrote:Talib wrote:No, but they would be privy to the EU's trade agreements and common market. Being exclusive is sort of the point.Why can't they access it now? So if you're not in the EU, you can't sell to the EU? Sounds very exclusive.
This is an honest question. If Canada decided to secede from England, could Canada survive? I think it would, but I really don't know how much cash the UK gives to Canada. It's sort of odd if you think about it. Other kingdoms conquered other countries and FORCED them to be a part of their Empire, and then they revolted. Now countries are begging to join an Empire, and being denied!! Amazing!
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