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boracasli wrote:I'm actually very young to speak about politics,
boracasli wrote:I think like this, because we need a better economy.
mōdgethanc wrote:Turkey's economy seems to be doing fine without the EU. If I were a Eurocrat, I'd be more worried about their human rights record.
mōdgethanc wrote:Turkey's economy seems to be doing fine without the EU. If I were a Eurocrat, I'd be more worried about their human rights record.
mōdgethanc wrote:Turkey's economy seems to be doing fine without the EU. If I were a Eurocrat, I'd be more worried about their human rights record.
mōdgethanc wrote:Aren't there standards that countries have to meet before they can join, and Turkey just hasn't met them yet?
Levo wrote:The more poor (or just simply not as wealthy) countries you take in this kind of Union, the more millions of unsatisfied masses you make which will cause tensions on both sides.
TeneReef wrote:They offer low quality, expensive service (T-Mobile gives you crappy service for 70 EUR a month, slow Internet) and usurer mentality ( all banks in Croatia are German, Austrian and Italian, but they offer exchange rates and interest( rates) you cannot find anywhere else in the world, not even in the most totalitarian system). By opening our markets, and having to sell everything to EU-foreigners, Croatia is a EU-colony, and not a sovereign country.
Rivaldo wrote:The way things are going, very soon Turkey will give up of entering EU, and will try an agreement with China.
It can be a good solution for the growing list of desperate european countries, but they might be declined for not being "asiatic" enough.
Rivaldo wrote:It can be a good solution for the growing list of desperate european countries, but they might be declined for not being "asiatic" enough.
linguoboy wrote:Levo wrote:The more poor (or just simply not as wealthy) countries you take in this kind of Union, the more millions of unsatisfied masses you make which will cause tensions on both sides.
The tensions seem to originate more from the richer countries' resentments at having to subsidise poorer neighbours and accept their migrants (and the poorer countries' resentment of their unequal treatment) than anything else. I think the poor would be dissatisfied either way. It's not like without the Union they wouldn't have tourists flow in from their richer neighbours or see their consumer lifestyles widely depicted in the media.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:linguoboy wrote:Levo wrote:The more poor (or just simply not as wealthy) countries you take in this kind of Union, the more millions of unsatisfied masses you make which will cause tensions on both sides.
The tensions seem to originate more from the richer countries' resentments at having to subsidise poorer neighbours and accept their migrants (and the poorer countries' resentment of their unequal treatment) than anything else. I think the poor would be dissatisfied either way. It's not like without the Union they wouldn't have tourists flow in from their richer neighbours or see their consumer lifestyles widely depicted in the media.
+ it's mostly the poor people in the Netherlands who don't like the EU most. And I think that's totally logical. I'll immediately believe you, Levo, when you say that you're living conditions are worse, but that doesn't change the fact that lots of people in the Netherlands don't have enough money to pay their rent, don't have enough money to buy enough food (10% of the Dutch people live below the poverty line). When they hear that their country considers to give millions to another country, they get frustrated.
LOL, NEVER
I don't mind if Turkey gives up on entering EU, but the whole Asian stuff is a big NO.
The biggest trade partner of China is the USA... tell me what's Asian about the USA...
IpseDixit wrote:Greece will never recover following troika's measures, de facto it is already bankrupt and I honestly can't imagine how the Euro leadership can come to terms with that.
Widely speaking there won't be a full recovery of the EU as long as major changes in the European governance don't occur. Austerity is crazy and goes against any macroeconomic principles. In the 1930s the economy recovered exactly by doing the opposite thing that we are doing nowadays.
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:linguoboy wrote:Levo wrote:The more poor (or just simply not as wealthy) countries you take in this kind of Union, the more millions of unsatisfied masses you make which will cause tensions on both sides.
The tensions seem to originate more from the richer countries' resentments at having to subsidise poorer neighbours and accept their migrants (and the poorer countries' resentment of their unequal treatment) than anything else. I think the poor would be dissatisfied either way. It's not like without the Union they wouldn't have tourists flow in from their richer neighbours or see their consumer lifestyles widely depicted in the media.
+ it's mostly the poor people in the Netherlands who don't like the EU most. And I think that's totally logical. I'll immediately believe you, Levo, when you say that you're living conditions are worse, but that doesn't change the fact that lots of people in the Netherlands don't have enough money to pay their rent, don't have enough money to buy enough food (10% of the Dutch people live below the poverty line). When they hear that their country considers to give millions to another country, they get frustrated.
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