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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2021-11-10, 19:32

Yasna wrote:senile

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Yasna wrote:Will he decide to run? Sources close to him indicate he intends to.

I think this question begs another question which is: Will he be allowed to run? It's still not out of the question that he will be indicted if not convicted before the actual campaign starts. Sure, the GOP will try to portray charges as politically motivated and, at least initially, this would boost his profile and his popularity. But if he's found guilty, he will be disqualified on constitutional grounds.

Even if he is both convicted and disqualified, will he care? Chump doesn't exactly seem to be the kind of person who respects rule of law. He has already attempted a coup d'état, and I'm not sure I trust my fellow Americans as a whole to actually stop him.

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-11-10, 21:12

vijayjohn wrote:Even if he is both convicted and disqualified, will he care? Chump doesn't exactly seem to be the kind of person who respects rule of law. He has already attempted a coup d'état, and I'm not sure I trust my fellow Americans as a whole to actually stop him.

If he still runs after a conviction and gets elected, we will have a full-blown constitutional crisis on his hands. But though he and the Dead-End Trumpers don't care, there is still is a substantial chunk of the governing apparatus in this country that does believe the Constitution matters for something. It's why the insurrection failed and I think it would kick into action if we ever reached such a point. (Nonetheless, I really hope we don't reach such a point.)

Remember that when he was in office, he pulled every dirty trick he could come up with in order to keep himself there and failed. Now he's trying to regain that office from a much less powerful position. He won't be underestimated like he was in 2016; he'll be fighting to stay out of jail.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Meera » 2021-11-11, 19:11

I think Trump is going to run in 2024 and he will probably win. Its going to be a nightmare.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2021-11-19, 0:02

linguoboy wrote:If he still runs after a conviction and gets elected, we will have a full-blown constitutional crisis on his hands.

Didn't we already the first time when he didn't even win the popular vote?

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-11-19, 18:04

vijayjohn wrote:
linguoboy wrote:If he still runs after a conviction and gets elected, we will have a full-blown constitutional crisis on his hands.

Didn't we already the first time when he didn't even win the popular vote?

No, because that is literally how the Constitution is supposed to work.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2021-11-19, 18:29

linguoboy wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:
linguoboy wrote:If he still runs after a conviction and gets elected, we will have a full-blown constitutional crisis on his hands.

Didn't we already the first time when he didn't even win the popular vote?

No, because that is literally how the Constitution is supposed to work.

The Constitution is supposed to allow a few extremely privileged people to arbitrarily override the will of the majority of people doing what is supposedly their civic duty by voting for their president?
The Constitution is supposed to allow a wannabe autocrat to become president?

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-11-19, 21:53

vijayjohn wrote:
linguoboy wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:
linguoboy wrote:If he still runs after a conviction and gets elected, we will have a full-blown constitutional crisis on his hands.

Didn't we already the first time when he didn't even win the popular vote?

No, because that is literally how the Constitution is supposed to work.

The Constitution is supposed to allow a few extremely privileged people to arbitrarily override the will of the majority of people doing what is supposedly their civic duty by voting for their president?

Yup. To the Founding Fathers, this was a feature, not a bug.

vijayjohn wrote:The Constitution is supposed to allow a wannabe autocrat to become president?

Well, their idea was that incorporating this feature would prevent a wannabe autocrat from gaining power. Too bad they couldn't foresee the power and influence that would come with having your own reality TV show.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby md0 » 2021-11-25, 9:51

Germany will soon have a new government, and these are their their plans.
I only attempted to read the summary of course, and not the 200 page coalition agreement, but it seems to be a net positive. Among others: more ambition in climate protection plans, increased commitments on tackling the housing shortage, an increase of the minimum wage to keep up with inflation, a more humane system to support the short-term unemployed.

It's not clear how they will pay for it though, since they remain committed to not borrowing, but they are also not planning on increasing taxes. I'm not entirely convinced that the investment gap can be bridged just by "increasing efficiency" and legalising marijuana.

PS. Some things that afaik have majority support among Germans, such as a universal speed limit on highways and single-payer health insurance, didn't make it into the agreement.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2021-12-05, 22:29

Despite its obsession with race, the media are blind to the nonwhite victims of rising violent crime.

According to CDC data released last month, 2020 bore witness to the largest rate of increase in homicides recorded in modern history—a finding that tracks with FBI data. Murder rose 29 percent from 2019 to 2020, surpassing the previous record 12.7 percent spike from 1967 to 1968. Unsurprisingly, the victims of the latest surge in violence were not equally distributed across racial groups. The rise in black homicide victims from 2019 to 2020 was almost twice as big as the rise in white victims (28 percent versus 16 percent).[...]

In Chicago, after homicides rose a staggering 55 percent from 2020, murders have marginally jumped by another 5 percent, according to the most recent data. The city is on track to tally its highest homicide count since 1996, when 796 were killed. The recent murder of 24-year-old University of Chicago graduate Shaoxiong Zheng in Hyde Park generated campus-wide demonstrations by faculty and students to demand more stringent security measures. “We are here to learn, not to die,” protesters declared. A Chicago mother whose four-year-old daughter was recently gunned down echoed the pleas of the citizens in Minneapolis: “We need help in Chicago. . . . we need outside help from the National Guard or something because we are constantly living in fear.”

It is remarkable how these desperate calls for robust law enforcement are not only ignored in liberal media but deemed transgressive and racist. When Tom Cotton merely articulated the popular opinion to call on the National Guard to quell explosive BLM and Antifa riots, young New York Times staffers revolted. “Running this puts Black @nytimes staff in danger” became a viral slogan on Twitter shared by many Times employees. The disparity in how law-abiding, inner-city residents and highly educated elites perceive the threat of violence couldn’t be more jarring. Some have suggested that terrorized community members are exaggerating or have fallen prey to right-wing “hysteria.”[...]

Last year saw the loss to homicide of an additional 2,000 black lives from the year before (9,941 compared with 7,777 in 2019). It is one of the great moral failings of our time that the victims of such metastasizing violence gain less public sympathy and media attention than privileged activists who equate the NFL draft with slavery or who falsely claim racial victimhood while attending elite universities.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2021-12-05, 23:58

I thought it was Chump's complaints about Chicago that liberals were ridiculing

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-12-07, 22:24

Yasna wrote:
In Chicago, after homicides rose a staggering 55 percent from 2020, murders have marginally jumped by another 5 percent, according to the most recent data. The city is on track to tally its highest homicide count since 1996, when 796 were killed. The recent murder of 24-year-old University of Chicago graduate Shaoxiong Zheng in Hyde Park generated campus-wide demonstrations by faculty and students to demand more stringent security measures. “We are here to learn, not to die,” protesters declared. A Chicago mother whose four-year-old daughter was recently gunned down echoed the pleas of the citizens in Minneapolis: “We need help in Chicago. . . . we need outside help from the National Guard or something because we are constantly living in fear.”

It is remarkable how these desperate calls for robust law enforcement are not only ignored in liberal media but deemed transgressive and racist. When Tom Cotton merely articulated the popular opinion to call on the National Guard to quell explosive BLM and Antifa riots, young New York Times staffers revolted. “Running this puts Black @nytimes staff in danger” became a viral slogan on Twitter shared by many Times employees. The disparity in how law-abiding, inner-city residents and highly educated elites perceive the threat of violence couldn’t be more jarring. Some have suggested that terrorized community members are exaggerating or have fallen prey to right-wing “hysteria.”[...]

Whoo-hoo! False equivalence bingo again!
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2021-12-08, 17:58

linguoboy wrote:False equivalence bingo again!

What are you talking about?
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-12-09, 18:08

Yasna wrote:
linguoboy wrote:False equivalence bingo again!

What are you talking about?

Ordinary criminal street violence and the only sometimes violent actions of BLM and Antifa are completely different things. They have different causes, different purposes, and different consequences. (Quick question: How many people have been killed in "BLM and Antifa riots" [not counting those shot dead by a 17 year-old terrorist in Kenosha]?) There's no inherent contradiction in calling for the National Guard to quell one type of violence and resisting calls for its deployment against another; to imply that there is--as this author does--is a textbook example of a false equivalence.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2021-12-10, 21:05

linguoboy wrote:Ordinary criminal street violence and the only sometimes violent actions of BLM and Antifa are completely different things. They have different causes, different purposes, and different consequences. (Quick question: How many people have been killed in "BLM and Antifa riots" [not counting those shot dead by a 17 year-old terrorist in Kenosha]?) There's no inherent contradiction in calling for the National Guard to quell one type of violence and resisting calls for its deployment against another; to imply that there is--as this author does--is a textbook example of a false equivalence.

That's awfully peripheral to the thrust of the article. But I guess nitpicking a strained comparison is easier than coming to grips with the fact that the progressive criminal justice movement you support is getting scores of people killed. As Gerard Baker recently wrote,

"Specific Democratic policies have clearly played a significant part in the retreat from what had been perhaps the most important social advance of the past 50 years—an unprecedented decline in almost all categories of crime.

Defunding the police—or the threat to defund the police—has yielded sharp declines in law-enforcement capabilities in major cities.

Bail “reform”—applied not selectively in the least dangerous cases, but willy-nilly—has resulted in the inevitable horror we witnessed in Waukesha, Wis., last month. Its close relative, mild sentencing and lax supervisory arrangements, produces terror like we saw in New York City last week.

Only a really committed progressive or an idiot—but I repeat myself—could believe it’s a good idea that men charged with committing violent crimes should go back out on the streets and reoffend until they take their savage ambitions to their logical and tragic conclusion."
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2022-01-14, 21:41

Yasna wrote:I guess nitpicking a strained comparison is easier than coming to grips with the fact that the progressive criminal justice movement you support is getting scores of people killed.

I guess continually whining about oh no the people getting killed by the progressives is easier than coming to grips with the fact that you're constantly perpetuating racism.

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2022-01-14, 22:38

vijayjohn wrote:I guess continually whining about oh no the people getting killed by the progressives is easier than coming to grips with the fact that you're constantly perpetuating racism.

If you're hunting for racists, look in the mirror.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2022-01-14, 22:59

Yasna wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:I guess continually whining about oh no the people getting killed by the progressives is easier than coming to grips with the fact that you're constantly perpetuating racism.

If you're hunting for racists, look in the mirror.

Typical racist response ("oh no you're the racist!")

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2022-01-14, 23:21

vijayjohn wrote:
Yasna wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:I guess continually whining about oh no the people getting killed by the progressives is easier than coming to grips with the fact that you're constantly perpetuating racism.

If you're hunting for racists, look in the mirror.

Typical racist response ("oh no you're the racist!")

Typical response of a woke racist.
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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2022-01-15, 0:21

You can just yell back "racist!" all you like. Doesn't make you any less racist.

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Re: Random Politics 2

Postby Yasna » 2022-01-15, 3:31

vijayjohn wrote:You can just yell back "racist!" all you like. Doesn't make you any less racist.

Ok, racist. Let us know when you decide to stop downplaying the harm done to black people by woke policies.
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