Yasna wrote:I don't give a shit if you and your anonymous (imaginary?) friends think I'm "so goddamn racist".
They are not necessarily my friends, but they are all UniLangers, and considering that the platform you're using is, well, UniLang, you should give a shit.
You've demonstrated time and time again your paranoid mindset of seeing racism everywhere you look.
Bullshit. I see racism in, and only in, your statements.
The reason I stopped engaging you on political topics years ago has nothing to do with your race.
Bullshit again. It has everything to do with my race. Anyone who has been paying attention can clearly see this.
When I discuss politics with linguoboy or Saim,
Linguoboy does not engage with you that often, and Saim talks to you even less often. Linguoboy lives in the US but is not a POC, and Saim is a POC but does not live in the US. I both live in the US and am a POC. I have much more at stake here than either of them. That is why I am so determined to counter you at every turn.
POCs in the US are dying on the street at disproportionate rates compared to white people. People in this country occasionally kill us Indians in hate crimes, and you know it. It is precisely this rhetoric about how people are bashing the police too much, POCs are racist against white people, the real problem is the liberals, etc. that is enabling hate crimes against us POCs. Engaging in this kind of rhetoric is completely irresponsible, and I will not rest until you stop it.
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Yasna wrote:linguoboy wrote:Who's "lying" about this? The CPD do go around murdering Black people. This is not disputed by reasonable people[*].
Either you're misusing the word "murder" for dramatic effect, or you don't understand the nature of most police encounters that end in a death. Spend a little time on
this channel if you want to better understand police encounters. It has videos of police doing good deeds, videos of police misconduct, and everything in between.
1. Non sequitur
2. ...They are actually murdering Black people.
3. "Most" is a really broad term to use here and I think at least requires reliable stats to back it up.
Or, alternatively, that the police actually are bad.
Bad compared to what? What police force of a city of millions awash in guns and violent young men does a significantly better job? Mexico City's? Rio de Janeiro's?
Wow, so when you criticize me for missing the point, it's really just projection.
Killing innocent people is bad enough. Targeting them because of their race is even worse. The police do both.
The stuff highlighted in that document could be said of any police force of a city of millions awash in guns and violent young men.
Then prove it.
To be clear, I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, only that the expectations for those improvements seem to be wildly unrealistic given the facts of the policing environment. I hope the decree has a positive effect, but
I'm not optimistic.
I think linguoboy has a better idea of what crime in Chicago looks like than you do.
I can fully understand a certain degree of mistrust towards police in Chicago. But the
hatred absolutely has been ginned up by agitators from bottom to
top.
I don't think you're in a position to lecture anyone on hatred.
mōdgethanc wrote:It's very unwise to break my self-imposed rule about talking about Israel online, but this surprised me a bit. I'm not a hardcore anti-Zionist or anything but I've become more convinced over the years that the apartheid analogy is fairly appropriate for Israel, at least in its occupied territories. Or at least, it's better than some things I've heard Israel called. Maybe I'll have to rethink it.
Talking about Israel can be dangerous, but it is a conflict that gets brought up a lot, so I think understanding things about that conflict is good. While Palestinians are definitely denied many of the opportunities available to Israelis and the administration has been very oppressive, this is not quite the same thing as apartheid. In South Africa, apartheid was about race. Apartheid was not just about concentrating Black people in the homelands/Bantustans but also about forcing them to e.g. use separate facilities throughout the country. As far as I understand, this is not what is happening in Israel.
In the US? Yeah, pretty much.
But this is going too far I think. I can agree the American centre-right is bad and has a strong tendency to be racist, but they are not Nazis. The far-right in America though, yeah, pretty strongly influenced by neo-Nazism.
The center right in the US in recent years threw its support behind Chump, so I don't see the usefulness of this distinction.