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Postby Hampayof » 2011-03-05, 11:08

Quick question. Given that Japanese has no /f/ phoneme, what's the Japanese name for Mount Fuji? Google-translate says it's the same as the English!

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Re: /f/

Postby md0 » 2011-03-05, 11:33

/h/ changes to [ɸ] before /u/
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Re: /f/

Postby Hampayof » 2011-03-05, 18:35

So (broadly speaking) it's spelt "huji" and pronounced "puji" in the native lingo?

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Re: /f/

Postby md0 » 2011-03-05, 19:01

More or less, yes. There aren't individual letters in Japanese script, but the letter for "fu" (ふ) belongs to the "h-row"(はひふへほ :ha hi fu he ho).
In romanization, you might see it spelled hu, especially these that are targeted to Japanese people how know their allophones, but it's mostly fu in mainstream romanizations (and I find it weird that you use <p>. There's a real p, a bilabial stop, in Japanese).
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Re: /f/

Postby hashi » 2011-03-06, 6:53

meidei wrote:/h/ changes to [ɸ] before /u/


/ɯ/ ;)

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Re: /f/

Postby md0 » 2011-03-06, 7:21

I know, I know, that's the tradition, but Japanese /u/ is certainly not unrounded (it's not like Turkish ı).
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Re: /f/

Postby IMABI » 2011-07-02, 21:32

[ɸ] may also be seen in certain regions of Japan for all h-sounds such as in the Umpaku dialects. It also keeps its archaic form "p" in some Kyuushuu Dialects* and is evident in most languages in the Okinawan archipelago. The quality of f is bilabial and fricative but is not dental. Hu is not realized for any foreign transliterations even though the Katakana ホゥ is used to describe it.


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