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Postby Mantaz » 2005-10-03, 10:45

Päivää!

Minä olen Mantaz, *I participate in ulalemo and want to learn Finnish* (Please translate where I embed into * and * ;))

For my studies I'm going to use this dictionary
http://www.ilmainensanakirja.fi

And some help here
http://www.uuno.tpu.fi/grammar.htm

First question, how do Finns personalize verbs, do they just cut the -a from the infinitive (i.e. "puhua") and add the personal suffix?

Secondly, how are the tenses made?

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Postby Varislintu » 2005-10-03, 10:57

Mantaz wrote:Päivää!

Minä olen Mantaz, *minä osallistun ulalemoon ja haluan oppia suomea.*


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Postby Mantaz » 2005-10-03, 11:02

Varislintu wrote:
Mantaz wrote:Päivää!

Minä olen Mantaz, *minä osallistun ulalemoon ja haluan oppia suomea.*


:)


Kiitos..
So osallistua :arrow: osallistun
haluta :arrow: haluan

Can this be any kind of rule?

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Postby Loiks » 2005-10-03, 12:52

The stem of the word osallistua is osallistu-, isn't it?

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Postby Alcadras » 2005-10-03, 13:05

the links had been given :D

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Postby Mantaz » 2005-10-03, 13:27

Ok, I gonna do the excersice:

TYPE 1

itkeä

Minä itken
Sinä itket
Hän itkee

Me itkemme
Te itkette
He itkevat

(tämä *was* helppo - this one was easy)

TYPE 2

lyödä

Minä lyön
Sinä lyöt
Hän lyö
Me lyömme
Te lyötte
He lyövat

(the hardest thing was to get use to write such combination like yö, strange one ;))

TYPE 3

panna, tulla

Minä panen, tulen
Sinä panet, tulet
Hän panee, tulee
Me panemme, tulemme
Te panette, tulette
He panevat, tulevat

The rest ones are for the next time, please correct if I made mistakes ;)

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Postby Alcadras » 2005-10-03, 13:29

no mistakes i think :roll:

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Postby Loiks » 2005-10-03, 13:49

Mantaz wrote:Ok, I gonna do the excersice:


He itkevat



again, vocal harmony: itkevät

i and e are vowels that sometimes need front vowels in secondary syllables, sometimes not, it just has to be remembered. It is a typical mistake of Estonians speaking Finnish :).

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Postby CoBB » 2005-10-03, 13:56

Mantaz wrote:He lyövät

Vowel harmony! I see no other mistakes. :)
Tanulni, tanulni, tanulni!

A pő, ha engemély, kimár / De mindegegy, ha vildagár... / ...mert engemély mindet bagul, / Mint vélgaban a bégahur!...

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Postby Mantaz » 2005-10-03, 13:58

CoBB wrote:Vowel harmony!

I'm starting to hate that :D

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Postby Alcadras » 2005-10-03, 14:04

i sometimes (!) forget writing "ä" , instead of "a".
i know the rule but .. :D

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Postby CoBB » 2005-10-03, 14:07

Mantaz wrote:I'm starting to hate that :D

Älä vihaa sitä, se on niin kaunis! ;)
Tanulni, tanulni, tanulni!



A pő, ha engemély, kimár / De mindegegy, ha vildagár... / ...mert engemély mindet bagul, / Mint vélgaban a bégahur!...

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Postby Loiks » 2005-10-03, 14:09

(Un)fortunately you can't immagine Finnish without it :?.

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Postby Loiks » 2005-10-03, 14:12

Ja kyllä olen samaa mieltä, että kaunista se on!

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Postby CoBB » 2005-10-03, 14:14

So what, in Hungarian you have to match both front-back and rounded-unrounded characteristics. In Finnish you only need half of that. :)
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Postby Loiks » 2005-10-03, 14:20

But I still think that Hungarian is easier. There are kind of more rules than in Finnic languages, am I wrong?

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Postby CoBB » 2005-10-03, 14:23

Yes, there are many rules. A dozen for each word in the dictionary. :lol:

Igen, sok szabály van. Mindegyik szótárbeli szóhoz vagy egy tucat. :lol:
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Postby Mantaz » 2005-10-03, 15:07

CoBB wrote:
Mantaz wrote:I'm starting to hate that :D

Älä vihaa sitä, se on niin kaunis! ;)


I understood the 2nd part (Estonian: "see on nii kaunis"), but what about the first one? :D

And a question for vocal harmony.

Which vowels requires that in this word: "itkevät"? And in this one: "lyövät"?

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Postby CoBB » 2005-10-03, 15:18

'Don't hate it!' :)

I, e, y and ö are all front vowels, so words containing only them need to get front endings when there's an alternative (so e, ä, ö, y instead of a, o, u). The back vowels are a, o and u, words with these vowels only get back endings too. I'm unsure about mixed words, I'd probably use the back ending (e. g. suomi->suomea).
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