TheStrayCat wrote:This hypothesis used to be popular, but now is rejected by most linguists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural%E2%8 ... _languages.
In fact, even the existence of the Altaic family, which would include Mongolian and all Turkic languages, is now widely disputed.
Woods wrote:What about Finnish and Hungarian - how likely do you think it is they come from the same place?
I would say that is a fairly accurate comparison. Unlike between, say, Finnish and Estonian, knowing Finnish gives you little advantage in learning Hungarian and vice versa. If you are into languages and linguistics, you might spot some correspondences in basic core vocabulary (käsi - kéz 'hand', veri - vér 'blood', silmä - szem 'eye', vesi - víz 'water' etc.) and see the similarities in grammar. Anything more requires a deeper knowledge of Uralic linguistics (like understanding how Fi ydin and Hu velő are cognates despite looking nothing like each other nowadays).Levike wrote:Me personally, I treat their relationship the same way I think about the one between Romanian and Icelandic, that is they're both Indo-European, okay, but they're so different at this point that it doesn't really matter.
I think it's fairly solid at the moment that the two languages share a common ancestor language, therefore they "come from the same place".Levike wrote:Now, do Hungarian and Finnish come from the same place? Probably,... I guess.
But in any case, the languages divided a very long time ago, so whatever someone were to tell me about their common roots, I'd just listen to what they have to say in a very fairytail-ish manner.
Virankannos wrote:you might spot some correspondences in basic core vocabulary (käsi - kéz 'hand', veri - vér 'blood', silmä - szem 'eye', vesi - víz 'water' etc.)
Virankannos wrote:I think it's fairly solid at the moment that the two languages share a common ancestor language
Virankannos wrote:Are you saying that there's some kind of a worldwide conspiracy at work that aims to disprove the relationship between Uralic and "Altaic" languages for some vague "political" reasons?
Vlürch wrote:I was just pissed off because more than one Hungarian had told me that they, along with all Turkic and Mongolic peoples, are the descendants of the "Hunnic masterrace", but that Finns are not and that we're just a Nordic Scandinavian LARP club looking to oppress them with our white European Nazi genes.
Almost all the Hungarians I've come across online hate Finns and some have described us as some type of hyperliberal Islamic Communist Nazi Jews
Well, there's a ton of literature about the subject from 17th century onwards, you can look it up. If one wants to discredit the Uralic language affinity, that means also discrediting the historical-comparative scientific method of language study and suggesting a new approach. So far this has been unsuccessful.Woods wrote:What makes it solid? I haven't been able to find a clear answer.
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