Genitive Plural

[Babelfish]

(I don't know enough Russian for this so excuse me for staying in English this time )

Is there anywhere in the Internet a full list of the rules of forming the Genitive Plural?
I think I've found most of them (after browing at least three sites ) but in the end, they usually just say "the rules are complex..." and go on to describe [most of] the common cases. I'm still not sure when to insert vowels at all, and there are some other confusing cases...

Anyone?

[Cisza]

I'm afraid it's impossible to give the full list of rules - there are too many exclusions (that's why they say that "rules are complex" - it's impossible to list all the exclusions). So the only advise I can give you is to remember forms of specific words, not general rules. Usually you can find these forms in good (big) dictionaries.

[Babelfish]

OK, thanks. I actually learn rules quicker than specific forms... I guess some of the confusing forms I've encountered were indeed irregular. I did find a nice site on the Internet which displays all the forms of a noun/verb So I can just put in there every word which seems problematic.

[jumichlo]

Russian Genitiv...
Aaarrgh

I'll never make it...

[Babelfish]

Well, at least I'm not the only one who has problems with the Russian Genitive Plural I even saw it mentioned in the main Unilang forum, in the thread discussing "the most difficult noun system". Respect to Russian! r-e-s-t-e-c-p Respect!

[Axystos]

Respect to Russian! <b>r-e-s-t-e-c-p </b>Respect!

You'll never be like Aretha Franklin, spelling like that.

[Babelfish]

Well, here's a thought - I'll start a page in the UniLang Wiki and list in it all the rules I know. Some I've encountered in different sites on the Internet, others I've deduced by myself using that Russian morphology site. Anybody's welcome to put in corrections or additions of course...

[Babelfish]

... I can hardly believe it's been ten years! (well, minus two days)
I remember I did create such a page in the UniLang Wiki, but muuuuuch later it became inaccessible. I don't find my posts related to it, though.
Anyway - I've gone and created a new page about it It's still not completely finished - I want to mark stress somehow - but you're welcome to take a look and comment:

http://babelfish.50webs.com/languages/Russian%20Genitive%20Plural.html

As mentioned above, the rules are indeed complex and exceptions abound. Hardly something to memorize explicitly... but after dealing enough with Russian, I think they might stick, and provide a good guess for almost all cases. So I do hope I got them correctly

[Antea]

Thank you. I m studying genitive in my Russian class, and it is very difficult and complex

[Mutusen]

Interesting link. There is a case you didn't mention: words that simply don't have a genitive plural form, like мечта. I guess мечт and мечет both sound wrong to Russian speakers, and as a result there is no correct form.

[vijayjohn]

Well, at least I'm not the only one who has problems with the Russian Genitive Plural

I thought everyone had problems with the Russian genitive plural.

[Koko]

That's honestly so helpful o.o

Thanks for responding to this thread and bringing my attention to it vijay I didn't even know HOW irregular genitive plurals in Russian were, but hah this'll help for when im analyzing Russian lyrics.

[vijayjohn]

Usually you can find these forms in good (big) dictionaries.

Just thought I'd include a note that Wiktionary is pretty good for this purpose IME.