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anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-17, 21:34
by wolverine
What do you call your core, as in your back and abdominal muscles? Also what is the most appropriate word in Russian meaning to tighten or contract something? I need these words for talking about opera and singing sometimes...

Re: anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-18, 12:20
by Fruchtenstein
Ah, that's one of my pet peeves! So called 'new runners' (that is, those who picked up running in the last 3-5 years, during the new running boom) tend to use the English load word 'кор' ('мыщцы кора'). These youngsters are too lazy to use good old Russian 'туловище' or even gooder and older Latin 'корпус'!
Anyway, when talking about opera you might want to use also 'дыхательные мыщцы' (respiratory muscles).
To contract your muscles will be 'напрягать мыщцы', 'мыщцы напрягаются' or 'мыщцы сокращаются'. 'Сокращать мышцы' looks a bit wrong.

Re: anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-18, 18:27
by wolverine
Fruchtenstein wrote:Ah, that's one of my pet peeves! So called 'new runners' (that is, those who picked up running in the last 3-5 years, during the new running boom) tend to use the English load word 'кор' ('мыщцы кора'). These youngsters are too lazy to use good old Russian 'туловище' or even gooder and older Latin 'корпус'!
Anyway, when talking about opera you might want to use also 'дыхательные мыщцы' (respiratory muscles).
To contract your muscles will be 'напрягать мыщцы', 'мыщцы напрягаются' or 'мыщцы сокращаются'. 'Сокращать мышцы' looks a bit wrong.


Thanks!

Re: anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-18, 19:03
by Fruchtenstein
Fruchtenstein wrote: English load word

Oops... Loan word, of course

Re: anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-18, 22:55
by wolverine
Fruchtenstein wrote:
Fruchtenstein wrote: English load word

Oops... Loan word, of course


I feel the same way you do about loan words. I'd rather hear real Russian than loan words.

So basically I should use "туловище"? Like for sentences such as 'that note is too high for him, you can see him contract his core very tightly' that kind of usage?

Re: anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-19, 8:47
by Fruchtenstein
wolverine wrote:

So basically I should use "туловище"? Like for sentences such as 'that note is too high for him, you can see him contract his core very tightly' that kind of usage?

"Эта нота слишком высока для него, видно, как сильно он напрягает туловище (корпус)". To emphasize, one can say "напрягает все туловище" or "весь корпус".

Or "видно, как сильно он напрягает мыщцы туловища (корпуса)".

Just like in English, the Latin term sounds slightly more 'scientific'. But only if it really refers to the whole core, including abdomen, chest and back. Otherwise you can use more specific expressions, like "мыщцы живота" for abdominal muscles.

I feel the same way you do about loan words. I'd rather hear real Russian than loan words.

It's worse than loan word, it doesn't even exist in Russian. It's just that some people are too lazy to search for a word when they translate from foreign sources and then this non-word becomes sort of fashionable among aficionados :)

Re: anatomical words needed

Posted: 2019-12-19, 13:42
by wolverine
Fruchtenstein wrote:
wolverine wrote:

So basically I should use "туловище"? Like for sentences such as 'that note is too high for him, you can see him contract his core very tightly' that kind of usage?

"Эта нота слишком высока для него, видно, как сильно он напрягает туловище (корпус)". To emphasize, one can say "напрягает все туловище" or "весь корпус".

Or "видно, как сильно он напрягает мыщцы туловища (корпуса)".

Just like in English, the Latin term sounds slightly more 'scientific'. But only if it really refers to the whole core, including abdomen, chest and back. Otherwise you can use more specific expressions, like "мыщцы живота" for abdominal muscles.

I feel the same way you do about loan words. I'd rather hear real Russian than loan words.

It's worse than loan word, it doesn't even exist in Russian. It's just that some people are too lazy to search for a word when they translate from foreign sources and then this non-word becomes sort of fashionable among aficionados :)


Thanks, sorry to be demanding, I'm not that confident and worry about using language wrong :)