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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Massimiliano B » 2013-11-07, 1:02

Hi! I need a help. Is the word легко pronounced [liex'ko] (as Wiktionary says)?
Is the group of consonants гk always pronounced [xk]?

Thank you in advance!

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2013-11-09, 10:17

Massimiliano B wrote:Hi! I need a help. Is the word легко pronounced [liex'ko] (as Wiktionary says)?
Is the group of consonants гk always pronounced [xk]?

Ciao! Wiki is right, though I pronounce it more like [lʲixko].
This group is quite rare, the only other word I can think of is мягко/мягкий and г is pronounced like х here as well.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Massimiliano B » 2013-11-09, 14:28

Spasibo Lada! (sorry, I'm using my mobile, so I am not able to type the Cyrillic alphabet now!!).

I know that the letter e - as you have written - is pronounced ji in that word. The reason is that it is in an unstressed syllable. Is that right?

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2013-11-10, 17:34

You're right :yep:
Massimiliano B wrote:Spasibo Lada! (sorry, I'm using my mobile, so I am not able to type the Cyrillic alphabet now!!).

Can't you add Russian? Adding new language seems to be easy at least in iPhone - Arabic, Greek, Chinese, Hindi etc.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Massimiliano B » 2013-11-11, 2:53

Added!

Спасибо, Лада! :)

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-11-16, 5:42

voron wrote:Привет, Виджей! У тебя неплохой русский, так держать!

Извини, что я очень давно ничего не писал, а спасибо большое. :)

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Covered » 2013-11-27, 23:42

всём привет

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2013-11-28, 14:16

Covered wrote:всёем привет

привет!

всём - it's locative case of всё (everything) :wink:

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Expressionism » 2013-11-28, 20:46

I hope this is the right place to ask, but where has everyone been getting their listening practice from? Most of the books that seem to be the best don't include companion audio, so while I can listen to podcasts and movies, I'd like to hear some of the sentences I'll be learning as well. :hmm:

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby jonc275 » 2013-11-28, 23:15

Most of my listening practice is from my friends/native speakers, in fact :wink:
Listening is definitely the most difficult aspect of learning a language for me, but it's also the most important in my opinion. And I haven't found a better, more natural way than having a conversation with someone who speaks the language fluently.

Of course, listening to music and podcasts (and other media which includes spoken Russian, such as a TV show, film, or even a Russian-language youtube video) helps as well.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-11-29, 1:03

Massimiliano B wrote:Hi! I need a some help.

Is the word легко pronounced [liex'ko] (as Wiktionary says)?
Is the group of consonants гk always pronounced [xk]?

Thank you in advance!
It doesn't occur in many words, but AFAIK it does, and also in Бог.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby jonc275 » 2013-11-29, 2:56

It doesn't occur in many words, but AFAIK it does, and also in Бог.


If I'm not mistaken, final-position Г always devoices simply to Х and not К or a combination of these. (например: Бог - 'Бох', снег - 'снех') Someone please correct me on this if it is wrong.
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Covered » 2013-11-30, 1:06

спасибо, Лада))

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2013-11-30, 9:01

jonc275 wrote:If I'm not mistaken, final-position Г always devoices simply to Х and not К or a combination of these. (например: Бог - 'Бох', снег - 'снех') Someone please correct me on this if it is wrong.

Not, always, Бог seems to be an exception. Снег [sʲnʲek]. I've never heard снех though it might be Ukrainian affected pronunciation, but I'm not sure.
Covered wrote:спасибо, Лада))

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Massimiliano B » 2013-12-01, 0:24

mōdgethanc wrote:
Massimiliano B wrote:Hi! I need a some help.

Is the word легко pronounced [liex'ko] (as Wiktionary says)?
Is the group of consonants гk always pronounced [xk]?

Thank you in advance!
It doesn't occur in many words, but AFAIK it does, and also in Бог.


спасибо! Thank you for your correction of my English sentence and for your answer.


Another question: почиму г в "его" и сегодня = [v]? (In English) Why the letter г is pronounced v in его and сегодня and in the endings -его -oго? Did the pronunciation changed with time, but spelling did not? If this is the answer, why did this take place only in some words?

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2013-12-01, 16:52

Massimiliano B wrote:Another question: почему г в "его" и сегодня = [v]? (In English) Why the letter г is pronounced v in его and сегодня and in the endings -его -oго? Did the pronunciation changed with time, but spelling did not? If this is the answer, why did this take place only in some words?

You're right, pronunciation changed but spelling is still the same.

сегодня = сего + дня.
сего = genitive case of сей (outdated word for "this" which is still used in fixed expressions)
As only in genitive ending Г is pronounced as В, case of сегодня is logical :)

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Massimiliano B » 2013-12-03, 0:31

Cпасибо!

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Covered » 2013-12-04, 3:12

Lada wrote:
Massimiliano B wrote:Another question: почему г в "его" и сегодня = [v]? (In English) Why the letter г is pronounced v in его and сегодня and in the endings -его -oго? Did the pronunciation changed with time, but spelling did not? If this is the answer, why did this take place only in some words?

You're right, pronunciation changed but spelling is still the same.

сегодня = сего + дня.
сего = genitive case of сей (outdated word for "this" which is still used in fixed expressions)
As only in genitive ending Г is pronounced as В, case of сегодня is logical :)



ого я не знал что сегодня = сего + дня :O

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby jonc275 » 2013-12-04, 4:21

Here's another one: сейчас - сей|час ('this time' -- although I believe время has become the normal word for 'time')
It's quite interesting - I wonder why сей fell out of common use and gave way to этот. Also I'd not be surprised if сей and Ukrainian 'цей' share a similar etymology.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby pittmirg » 2013-12-06, 14:09

According to Rudnyc'ky's dictionary, Ukr. cej is contracted from ot (cf. Russian vot) + sej. It seems to me that Ukrainian is the Slavic language where this pronoun (*sĭ) is best preserved. In Polish you only see it in the fossilized phrase do siego roku (sth like 'Happy New Year') and in words like dziś 'today' (from *dĭnĭ-sĭ lit. day-this).
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